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To: justshutupandtakeit
Your pitiful distortions and falsehoods could not more shred any argument I have presented than a shotgun could stop a tank

Make that a HotWheels(tm) tank, and I agree.

It has been said repeatedly that the sovereignty of the United States comes from the American People.

That has not been said repeatedly, and is more rediculous than many of your other arguments. Your claim is that the same people who were one day earlier "His Majesty's Royal Subjects" were at once part of a nonexistent nation/union, without being part of a state, but an 'ex-colony,' and now they granted sovereignty?

Independence was won on the battlefield, and granted through the Paris Peace Treaty, which has already been quoted back to you ad-nauseum. Develop some facts, not more poor self-aggrandizement and poor analogies.

1,164 posted on 04/02/2006 5:22:00 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Gianni

All the Founders considered themselves Americans and Madison even made a speech at the CC wherein he declared just that and how they were no longer Virginians or Massachusetts men, etc.

According to your way of thought the war which gained our independence should not have even been called the "American" Revolution but the rest of the World knows it as just that.

As regards the meaning of "Sovereignty" and its relation to the states Madison dealt with the pretensions of a true sovereignty claimed by States but never actually is existent. I quoted his remarks (or at least another's report of his remarks at the CC) why don't your discuss what that meant. see #1041


1,170 posted on 04/02/2006 5:34:35 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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