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Posted on 03/02/2006 6:48:02 AM PST by Louis Foxwell
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That stuff doesn't plague the movement, it IS the movement.
A lot of people don't understand (and here is my own cliche) "Eviromentalism is the tool, Socialism is the goal".
You are missing the point many of the mechanisms that make this drinking water healthier are causing pollutants to be released into the environment. According to many environmentalists cleaning our water so that it is a source of water for consumers is not "natural" Let them drink the "natural water " I say.
"Would you want your children to live in a city where the air quality is so poor that children, the elderly, and the infirm can't venture outdoors? You deny any connection between pure air, water and food and human health? "
Yes but only if the means to provide the clean air where viable and based on hysterical and non scientific policy. For the record my daughter is acutely asthmatic she has to be nebulised at least twice a month.I have a respirator at home and am checked out to use it. I understand the issues around this better than most.
"I do not deny that there is a lot of bad environmental science out there" Almost all of it is bad as far as I have seen
"I don't believe in global warming. I believe there are cycles in the earth's weather"
Then you are on the same page as most scientists in the field. :-)
"As the state's population has grown, the state's natural resources have deteriorated. Does that mean we halt population growth in Florida? "
That would be an environmentalists solution, reducing the population would not be the objective rather reducing the pollutants would be the objective. Do you start to see the problem yet?
I will give you an example of poor environmental knowledge and good intentions:
In the UK animal rights activists released hundreds of American Minks into the wild as an act of liberation. these animals had been caged and processed to make fur coats in the UK.
the result of this activity has wreaked havoc in the UK ecosystem, shrew has almost become extinct as has the English water vole. The otter unable to compete with it's aggressive cousin has also declined to the point of extinction, there are cases of minks killing otter kits in their den because of predatory competition instincts.
Minks have also decimated rare bird colonies in the UK, a documented case of a mink swimming from the mainland UK to a coastal island housing many rare seabird species. Where a mink and its mate systematically killed hundreds of protected bird species their chicks and eggs in one nights bloody lust.
The mink has no predator in the UK to keep it's numbers under control, it was a devastating idiotic destructive step to have taken based on ignorance and a desire to "do good"
"You cannot be a caretaker if you are not allowed in the garden."
Exactly!
the trouble is there are no qualified "caretakers" on the planet. The environmentalists believe they are qualified and therein lies the problem
That's total BS, you just have to be good at gardening and farming.
Acuualy thats far from true, a precise knowledge of the complex dependencies and symbiotic relationships between microscopic organisms, molecules, prey and predator and vegetation is required. The entire human scientific experience has not developed such knowledge yet.
For the record it was farmers and environmentalists that destroyed the surface soil layer in Australia and turned much of the habitable and farming viable land into desert. By introducing hunting game - the rabbit.
This is false. I am totally against abortion and I am an environmentalist. I am also a practicing christian who is also a member of Christian Vegetarian Assocation (totally anti-abortion group). My views of life are consistent and across the board.
thank you presenting some sanity...all the while the DDT advocates ignore the alternatives!
I think I agree with you here. But I agree with Amos the Prophet too, because I think he's talking about environmental extremism.
Plenty of, if not most, conservatives are moderate conservationists as well. I don't think there are many who want the world turned into a parking lot with pools of industrial waste and scorched hilltops scattered about for variety.
On the other hand, there seems to be no shortage of environmental wackos who would love for mankind to at least revert to the stone age, if not disappear altogether. For that well-represented vein of thought and belief, I think Amos is right on the money.
You don’t need to know the exact math formulas to the physics behind the inner workings of the internal combustion engine of a car to be a mechanic who’s fixes those engines. You just have to know what tools are used on what parts, how to put it together and what the timings are on the gauges of the parts and tools.
The same principle applies to gardening, you don't need to know the exact DNA make up of a plant to grow and take care of the plant. You just need to know what type of soil, how much sun, how much water, how much fertalizer to use and how often to weed the plant.
That is why your state is BS.
Same prio
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It's only been in the last few centuries that we've started figuring out how to maintain viable farms on the same plot of land for a long period of time. Historically, farming a plot of land until it was exhausted and barren, then moving on to a new plot of land, was the general approach.
Another good point. Amphibians are certainly affected by DDT and have been known to munch on mosquito larvae as well as adults. Not only that but heavy use of DDT would also speed up the DDT resistance of skeeters. The truth of the matter is this isn't a black and white issue. DDT has its problems and its benefits. It just has to be used in moderation. It is by no means some wonder pesticide like some like to claim.
Yes, crop rotation is such a fairly obvious idea.
It still amazes me how some people go so far out of their way and defy logic to reinforce and defend their own views.
Thanks for ping. Guess I cannot add to what has been so well established as to how the environmental movement had been hijacked for less then honest/honorable purposes. So many things at so many levels of complexity to consider. It is often hard to find words that convey some form of blanket statement.
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