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ACLU opposes creation of 'Catholic town'
msnbc.msn.com ^ | Feb. 22, 2006

Posted on 03/01/2006 8:05:15 AM PST by grundle

ACLU opposes creation of 'Catholic town'

Domino's Pizza founder wants to build new town with 'Catholic values'

ACLU opposes creation of 'Catholic town'

Feb. 21: The Situation's Tucker Carlson asks Howard Simon, the Executive Director of Florida's ACLU, why his group is trying to stop the founder of Domino's pizza from building a town with Catholic values, and pharmacies that may not stock contraceptives.

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MSNBC

Updated: 3:45 p.m. ET Feb. 22, 2006

If you could build a town from scratch, what would it look like? Tom Monaghan, the founder of Domino‘s Pizza, wants a towering Roman Catholic Church at the center of his proposed new town. He also prefers people who have the same religious beliefs as he does. He wants them to move into his aptly named Ave Maria, Florida.

There‘s one group standing in the way of Monaghan‘s lifelong dream, the American Civil Liberties Union, of course. Howard Simon is the executive director of Florida‘s ACLU. He joined Tucker Carlson from Miami.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; aclu; aclulist; atheism; catholic; catholictown; christophobia; dominospizza; firstamendment; freedomofassociation; freedomofreligion; libertarians; ramapo
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1 posted on 03/01/2006 8:05:15 AM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

Hey, why not? Willie Wonka and Ray Naggin can build chocolate towns without anyone taking issue ...


2 posted on 03/01/2006 8:10:14 AM PST by tx_eggman (Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
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To: grundle

I don't think it is an ALL Catholic town, but that they want to have some moral foundations for the city to attract people that have a similar mindset. Go for it...


3 posted on 03/01/2006 8:11:03 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: grundle

But an Islamic America would be just fine with them.....


4 posted on 03/01/2006 8:11:33 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: grundle

And what, pray tell Mr. Simon, what chaos or state disaster would befall a town where the landlord is a "religious" man exercising governmental authority on land that he is the legal owner of???


5 posted on 03/01/2006 8:11:43 AM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: grundle

When it comes to someone else's religion no one has a right to tell anyone what they can or cannot do. If they want a Catholic town so be it. The ACLU has nothing to do with it and...am sure they aren't giving any money to it so they can BUTT OUT.


6 posted on 03/01/2006 8:11:51 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know. Go Rush!)
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To: grundle

Paging the ACLU, have they read articles about Ann Arbor lately?


7 posted on 03/01/2006 8:11:58 AM PST by weegee (Liberals have a god complex. They always want to create and run Eden, err.... Utopia.)
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To: grundle

Excellent article to see just how convoluted and twisted the logic of the ACLU is.


8 posted on 03/01/2006 8:12:45 AM PST by frankiep
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To: grundle
Uh oh. Bad news for the town of Laurent for the deaf in S.D. Laurent
9 posted on 03/01/2006 8:15:07 AM PST by formercalifornian (One nation, under whatever popular fad comes to mind at the moment, indivisible...)
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To: grundle
The ACLU has just disclosed its anti-Catholic animus. If Muslims wanted to set up their own town, Howard Simon would have no problem with such a move.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

10 posted on 03/01/2006 8:15:33 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: grundle

Don't see the ACLU bothering with New Square in Rockland County, New York.

New Square is the anglicized form of Skvira, a village in Ukraine, where the Skver Hasidim dynasty of Hasidism had its roots. The community began in 1954, when twenty Skver families moved from Williamsburg, Brooklyn to a 130 acre (530,000 m²) farm north of Spring Valley, under the leadership of their rebbe Rabbi Yakov Yosef Twersky. In 1961 New Square became the first village in New York state to be governed by a religious group. Over the years annexations have increased its size. Its population increased 77.5% between 1990 and 2000.
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Emulated by Satmars

New Square's success motivated the Satmar Hasidim headed by their own rebbe Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum to plan and build their own version of a town governed by a religious group at Kiryas Joel, New York.

There were a number of scandals plaguing the New Square community in recent years. Government allegations of fraudulent colleges with bogus student bodies set up to extract PELL grants, which would benefit the schools and institutions, bristle the community. Convictions were handed down against four community members, who received prison sentences ranging from two to six years. Unlike the cases of a priest and the dean of a well known university who were both convicted of pocketing government money for their personal use and were just given probation, charges of anti-Semitism and overzealous prosecution led to an eleventh-hour clemency by President Bill Clinton shortly before the end of his term in office, after he was visited by the community's Rebbe, Rabbi David Twersky who requested of the president to reduce the sentences of the convicted community members, for the sake of their wives and children.

Media allegations followed, suggesting that a quid-pro-quo was arranged with Hillary Clinton, who subsequently received about 99% of the vote in New Square. Investigations have not uncovered any wrongdoing, and the matter was dropped.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Square,_New_York


11 posted on 03/01/2006 8:16:33 AM PST by Range Rover (Kerry is STILL a Fraud...Rather is the Court Jester)
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To: ExcursionGuy84

This commie's main problem seems to be that pharmacy's in the town won't have contraceptives and birth control; which are very important to leftists. Then he went on to say that private property ownership rights must be circumscribed to the public.

I honestly don't see how anyone can be a member of, or support, the ACLU and still call themself a freedom loving American. Ever notice how the ACLU, who is supposedly so concerned with protecting civil liberties, is always complaining that people need to STOP doing things.


12 posted on 03/01/2006 8:16:33 AM PST by frankiep
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To: grundle
Thanks to the ACLU for making crystal clear what side they're on, as if there was any doubt.

So much for "celebrating diversity."

13 posted on 03/01/2006 8:16:49 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: grundle
Interesting...
But not surprising.

Roger Baldwin, the co-founder of the ACLU said: “I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately, for abolishing the state itself. … I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. I don’t regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted and I traveled the United Front road to get it.” In spite of Baldwin’s Communist leanings, President Jimmy Carter awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom on January 16, 1981.

Baldwin didn’t create the ACLU in a vacuum, he had plenty of help. A group of Communist Party officials, fellow travelers, anarchists and radicals joined Baldwin to found the ACLU in 1920.

Freedom of association, apparently, is an inherent right to the ACLU, but only for those they approve.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

14 posted on 03/01/2006 8:16:52 AM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: ExcursionGuy84
Presumably, other dogmas, including the ACLU, would not be allowed to have offices in town?

I love it!

15 posted on 03/01/2006 8:18:26 AM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: grundle

I'm shocked, shocked!


16 posted on 03/01/2006 8:18:35 AM PST by DarkSavant ("Life is hilariously cruel" - Bender)
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To: grundle

The proposed Ave Maria, Florida will not require an ACLU chapter.

Amish farming communes better be left alone too!

This is America - not an ACLU dictatorship!


17 posted on 03/01/2006 8:18:50 AM PST by purpleland (Elegy 9/11/01 Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: grundle

ACLU just doesn't understand what private property rights are, do they? If this guy buys the land and builds all this stuff and the people who live there want to live by those rules, THEN SO BE IT!


18 posted on 03/01/2006 8:19:09 AM PST by Cyclone59 (If a cat chokes on a mouse, who killed who?)
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To: grundle
A Massachusetts agency has just recently informed WalMart that they are in violation for not stocking the morning after pill in it's pharmacies.

WalMart has elected to comply with the board rather than file a legal challenge.
19 posted on 03/01/2006 8:19:47 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Learn from the past, don't live in it.)
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To: grundle

Gay Pedophile Town would be okay for the ACLU. Why not this?


20 posted on 03/01/2006 8:20:17 AM PST by jdm (I do not allow any liberal to swim, er, ride in my car.)
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