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Dan Walters: Reiner controversy illustrates flaws in how California makes its laws
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| Dan Walters
Posted on 03/01/2006 7:55:54 AM PST by SmithL
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...Reiner and the First 5 California Children and Families Commission insist that he didn't play a direct role, it's perfectly clear that the commission was using public money to boost a Reiner initiative to tax the wealthyYour tax dollars at work and play.
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posted on
03/01/2006 7:55:57 AM PST
by
SmithL
To: SmithL
Reiner's producer friends got the $$ back via wide distribution of his inane commercials. The California taxpayer is onh the losing end here, while the "do gooders" also get their write offs..
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posted on
03/01/2006 8:00:06 AM PST
by
sheik yerbouty
( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
To: SmithL
But. It's for the children!
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posted on
03/01/2006 8:01:26 AM PST
by
siunevada
(If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
To: SmithL
Otherwise known as flaws with democracy as a form of government.
Frankly, I wish we didn't have the initiative process in California. It allows clever operators to insert bad law without a way to fix it. It absolves the legislature of accountability which makes it easier to keep them. Were we truly forced to suffer the results of unrestrained Democrats, I believe conservatives would be far more numerous.
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posted on
03/01/2006 8:05:46 AM PST
by
Carry_Okie
(There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
To: SmithL
how do ya like it now ole meathead? Being accused of something you didn't do or didn't intend to do? Having everyone come down on you? How does it feel ole meathead??? Now the shoe is on the other foot and I am sure it is 10 sizes too small and you are feeling the political pain. Oh well, I'm off.
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posted on
03/01/2006 8:14:20 AM PST
by
cubreporter
(I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know. Go Rush!)
To: Carry_Okie
I back the initiative. I don't really mind socking it to wealthy liberals. Let em bear the freight for their expensive spending proposals. I am not in the mood to cut taxes for them when they seek to raise mine.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
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posted on
03/01/2006 8:22:36 AM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: goldstategop
I back the initiativeDo you also support using tax payer money to promote it? As far as the tax the rich and give the money to the poor idea, yeah it would appeal to any good socialist.
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posted on
03/01/2006 8:43:01 AM PST
by
paul51
(11 September 2001 - Never forget)
To: goldstategop
I back the initiative. I don't really mind socking it to wealthy liberals. Let em bear the freight for their expensive spending proposals. I am not in the mood to cut taxes for them when they seek to raise mine. I see. You think it appropriate to condemn a generation of kids to yet more liberal indoctrination at a yet more impressionable age just to satisfy your pique and revel in your inherent superiority. You don't care; they're not your kids.
I don't have words for this kind of evil thinking, but suffice it to say that you and your kids will be hugely outnumbered at the polls when the time comes.
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posted on
03/01/2006 8:52:45 AM PST
by
Carry_Okie
(There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
To: SmithL
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posted on
03/01/2006 8:54:02 AM PST
by
dead
(I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
To: goldstategop
I hope you reconsider. This initiative is believed to be the first step on the road to mandatory universal preschool. Reiner has said he does think every child should be in preschool, not just voluntary. That will not bode well for those who choose to homeschool their children away from the state's influence.
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posted on
03/01/2006 8:56:25 AM PST
by
cgk
(I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
To: Carry_Okie
I meant the opposite. Those pushing property tax increases are the same wealthy liberals who push for expensive spending proposals. As I said, they won't cut my taxes. Give me a reason why I should cut theirs. If they can afford pre-school, it only makes complete sense THEY should pay for it.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
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posted on
03/01/2006 8:56:41 AM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: cgk
I'm don't like what Rob Reiner is pushing. But I like the idea very much of having these people should the financial burden of their pet spending schemes.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
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posted on
03/01/2006 8:58:35 AM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: Carry_Okie
And you agree the rest of us should pay for everything they dream up? Nah-ah. I think it ought to come out of their pockets.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
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posted on
03/01/2006 9:00:55 AM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: SmithL
Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata joined the critics. "It wasn't even cleverly disguised," Perata said during a breakfast meeting with The Bee Capitol Bureau. "It was just blatant." What's the point of this statement? That everything would be fine it was a "cleverly disguised" scheme? That the Democrats are only speaking out about this because Reiner's group got caught?
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posted on
03/01/2006 9:05:06 AM PST
by
kevkrom
("...no one has ever successfully waged a war against stupidity" - Orson Scott Card)
To: goldstategop
Who pays for it is not nearly as important as is the use of the funds. You are advocating more government teachers' union power and more CHILDREN being indoctrinated in government day-care centers.
Grow up. Not all rich people are evil liberals. Take your childish class warfare fantacies and dreams of just deserts and inflict them on somebody else.
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posted on
03/01/2006 9:07:44 AM PST
by
Carry_Okie
(There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
To: Carry_Okie
No, not all rich people are liberals. But the ones in California pushing this crap on us are. The people promoting class warfare, greater government control of our lives and less prosperity for us are the ones spending millions of dollars to promote and pass these kinds of measures. If they gave up inflicting tax increases on the rest of us, I'd be prepared not to respond in kind. But if the Left wants mutual assured destruction, that's what it will get. They really need to stop to think about the damage they're doing to our beloved state.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
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posted on
03/01/2006 9:27:25 AM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: goldstategop
They really need to stop to think about the damage they're doing to our beloved state. You are doing the same thing from the other end with your tax the rich to give to the poor nonsense
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posted on
03/01/2006 9:51:13 AM PST
by
paul51
(11 September 2001 - Never forget)
To: goldstategop
I back the initiative. I don't really mind socking it to wealthy liberals."
You make no sense. most wealthy people are not liberals... and htis tax will be on more than just the rich.
If you want to tax only wealthy liberals make it hit only the Hollywood and San Fran Zip Codes.
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posted on
03/01/2006 9:54:00 AM PST
by
WOSG
(http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
To: goldstategop
They really need to stop to think about the damage they're doing to our beloved state. Then you don't need to abet it out of spite.
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posted on
03/01/2006 12:13:27 PM PST
by
Carry_Okie
(There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
To: Carry_Okie
They have spite for us and we should just take it? I think we'll wait and see if those Silicon Valley millionaires put the parcel tax on the ballot. There's a certain line no one should cross and I'm not about to preserve lower taxes just for them if they take the step of increasing taxes on average folks. Let's hope they don't do it.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
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posted on
03/01/2006 3:23:06 PM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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