Posted on 02/28/2006 6:36:43 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
How can he not consent? When he has sex, there is always a possibility of conception.
You have to wonder, as this thread is approaching 900 posts and has become a secular vs. religious food fight. The last thing the President needs to do is further fracture his (and the GOP's) support base, much of which is opposed to having a Dubai based firm managing several ports and displeased with over five years of inaction over border control.
And as such, I want abortion to END. But I also know that many pro-life people want the exception of rape and murder in any legislation, and that without those exceptions, the legislation WILL NOT PASS.
President Bush has done more to turn the tide against abortion than any President, and we are the cusp of making major progress, largely because of him.
Wake up. Do you want major progress or NO progress? Because if you refuse to allow any exceptions in legislation, we will go nowhere.
We are on the edge of ending this evil, and it is disgusting to see people supposedly on the side of LIFE, getting in the way of making real progress.
You just think its ok to abort innocent babies in the womb in case of rape or incest though, right?
Doesn't sound to complete to me but whatever.
Whats to stop a person from aborting a baby for convenience then if the taking of innocent human life can be justified because of rape or incest?
"I could be wrong, but President Bush seems to be going out of his way to antagonize his base this past week or so..."
Or fire up the base. As a coach I used to do that to my team. I would align them against me and they tended to come together better and play better. Herb Brooks used to do that also.
Good motivational tool in a team environment.
No. I don't. I am against abortion in all cases. I do not think that the child should be punished for the sin of the father, and I think that the guilt a woman deals with following the murder of her child is far greater than the inconvenience of carrying that child to term.
I am a complete and strong pro-lifer, as I said.
Now please go back and read what I said about President Bush's pro-life stance with that in mind.
This bill is designed to go to the Supreme Court on purpose. There is a similar bill brewing in the Ohio legislature.
In both cases, the bills are crafted to have certain strengths and certain weaknesses. They are designed to have points that will cause them to be challenged. Designed. The intent is to use one of these two if not others as a challenge to Roe.
But there is a method to the madness of the South Dakota and the pending Ohio bills.
Are they going to converge at some point and a consensus made? Is the one in Mississippi designed to get to the SC as well?
Is that the plan, as you see it (or know it ;)?
Sorry about that. Too much in a hurry.
I think there are a number of states that have pending or have begun to draft laws that are designed to be challenged. How many will make it to a Governor for signature is unknown, or for that matter how many will ever be signed.
But they are designed to have stregnths that will stand and throw away weaknesses that will invite a legal challenge. The hope is for one, and the strongest, to have a Supreme Court challenge that will ripple into the tenants of that supposedly allowed Roe v Wade, despite its strengths or flaws, to become law.
It was good that you posted that.
However, your basic instinct was correct: that is a child, no less than any other child.
And so, although it is tempting to allow an exception for rape, it's wrong. You did the right thing, and have the benefit of it. But the law should not allow the wrong thing as an option.
Odd, since you sound most assuredly like a cheap 2 bit hooker.
I should be able to get that Columbus station (I can get 610 clearly). What number is it on the radio?
With multiple states working on it, and millions of us praying, and with the majority of Americans opposing abortion, Lord willing, we will see an end to this holocaust in the next few years.
Thanks for the info.
"States have to obey the Supreme Court."
"States have to obey the Constitution."
Of course they have to obey the Constitution. But in practical terms of today's jurisprudence, the States are bound by the Supreme Court's decisions...have been since Marbury. So our theoretical ranting don't matter (ie, a state can't make abortion illegal until the Supreme Court says that's okay).
"So our theoretical ranting don't matter (ie, a state can't make abortion illegal until the Supreme Court says that's okay)."
Unless a state goes in a new direction and, on having its law struck down by the Supreme Court, simply defies the court and enforces its law anyway. This will, needless to say, touch off a national constitutional crisis, but it's not clear how that would play out. It would depend on the issue.
If the issue were one in which the Supreme Court took an extremely unpopular decision and a state defied the federal courts and did its own thing, it is by no means a slam-dunk that, in an election year, an incumbent party would automatically muster any sort of force, political or federal marshalls, to go out and try and enforce an unpopular Supreme Court order against that party's own electoral base.
Instead, the President might IGNORE the violation of the federal law. This happens all the time, on lesser issues. But if it were a great towering issue, that the public focused on, nullification would be seen to have WORKED, and the whole balance of power in the land would shift.
they can do that now, because they know that the part of these laws affecting adult women in the first trimester, will be tossed by the courts (for now).
when it gets to the point that this becomes a states right issue, and these laws they are passing actually mean something - the legislators who have to stand for election will look seriously at this. right now, they are just pandering on this.
That is what is rumoured.
That is what is rumoured.
Seems it is true.
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