Utah House kills evolution bill

Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

[ml1954]

What if the Bible said something that your experience told you was loony.

Like a 40 days rain flooding the entire world?

[Right Wing Professor]

The Greek text says 'ana meson ton orion dekapoleos'. Ana meson translates as through the middle of; orion can be 'boundaries' , similarly to Latin fines. Clearly this means through the boundaries of the Decapolis. The Vulgate is a word-for-word translation of the Greek. The point is, they went through he territory of the Decapolis to get to the Sea of Galilee, which is geographically ridiculous if you're coming from Tyre and Sidon. And since you mention Matthew 15, that also states they ended up by the Sea of Galilee, though it doesn't mention the Decapolis (the author of Matthew was likely a Jewish Christian who knew Palestine, so he probably decided to leave out the bit about the Decapolis).

One thing is certain, no matter how you translate "orion", you can't prove that Mark's statement is inaccurate geographically.

I can prove it's like going from D.C. to New York via Boston.

The logical conclusion is that the author of Mark was working from (at best) someone else's account, and got this bit wrong.

[zeeba neighba]

No need to get testy, just because you threw out a statement and now have to google around to back it up. My Latin is rusty, but that's because I never use it and don't keep up with the vocabulary. Even if it was, I wouldn't spend any time in the Vulgate anyway. I also don't use the NIV bible.

If you are a world class biblical scholar, my apologies. I guess you are some sort of wunderkind, just a man of many accomplishments.

[longshadow]

Festival of Tractionless Bloviating Disruptor Trolls placemarker

[Lurking Libertarian]

What longshadow said.

[Right Wing Professor]

One doesn't have to be a world-class biblical scholar to be familiar with the basics of modern scholarship about the origin of the books of the Bible. I recommend www.earlychristianwritings.com. And I had a very old-fashioned education, and so learned Latin and Greek in school.

[pby]

How many times in life has your experience been different from someone else's...even in similar situations?

How many times has one of your experienced-based conclusions been inaccurate, falsified and/or wrong?

Given the differences in everyone's experience, and also given the fallibility of personnel experience, can one find absolute truth in experience?

As to the all cats lay eggs question...There is no basis of reality in the question and the Bible never contradicts truth (It is Truth).

[VadeRetro]

"Virtual ignore is a time-saver" placemarker.

[phantomworker]

Just for the halibut I google a bit myself. I'll let you know what comes down the pike. It cod be interesting.

OK now that is funny! I think you guys have too much time on your brain. LOL!!

[pby]

Read the passage about the flood...it wasn't just the rain; "all the springs of the deep burst forth..."

[zeeba neighba]

scold, school marm , send in the clowns, placemarker

[Doctor Stochastic]

Cosmic ray reference?

Ana meson from Orion?

[Stultis]

I don't get this. Does cladistics dispute the "hair, mammaries, three-ear-bone" characterization of mammals?

Those characters distinguish a clade within reptiles. As you note mammals branched off after some, but before most, major reptile groups. So, on the cladistic approach, "mammals" can't be a group with equal rank to "reptiles". Although this is the way we classify them. If we were consistently cladistic "mammals" would have to be a subgroup of "reptiles".

[Mamzelle]

Or a boilerplate set of "Apparent Contradictions Handy for Arguments with the Religious." Probably available on Juniors Infinite Collection of Unavoidable Spam.

You'd have more fun with the death of Judas.

[ml1954]

Read the passage about the flood...it wasn't just the rain; "all the springs of the deep burst forth..."

That sounds even loonier to me.

[zeeba neighba]

Yeah, aint the InterNet great?

[Mamzelle]

New thread of interest.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1587326/posts

[zeeba neighba]

Merci, Mamzelle.

[Stultis]

Why are hominids not apes then? What is the demarcation criteria?

I believe the demarcation is upright stance and a striding gait.

Are we not primates too? Or mammals?

Lemurs (and some more "primitive" forms), monkeys, the "lower" apes, anthropoid apes and humans are all primates. So far as I know this is also a legitimate clade.

I think "mammals" would also be a legitimate clade, but NOT if given equal rank (as it is) to "reptiles". Reptiles are then not monophyletic (the group doesn't include ALL of its descendents) and this is not allowed in cladistics as I understand.

[js1138]

I wasn't rain. It was invisible pink unicorn tears.