[CrazyIvan]

I wish I could express myself this eloquently. He's dead on with his observation. We are dealing here with the kind of vote buying that was pioneered with FDR and the left. As P.J. O'Rourke puts it, "It's the ultimate scam; you bribe people with their own money." I'd like to add to that that the bribery is being done with our descendent's money now.

[OldFriend]

I will not doubt be attacked, called a flaming lib or a flaming idiot but here goes.

On the education bill. We either force testing for kids and teachers or we have a country filled with illiterate kids from the underclass who will cause more trouble than we can imagine, from crime to health issues.

As for the prescription entitlement. We can pay for checkups, and medicine now or pay for long term care for undiagnosed diabetes, high blood pressure, kidney disease, and a host of other expensive treatments that could have been avoided with earlier checkups and medications.

In the long run, these expenditures help keep medicare and medicade costs down.

We can debate from now to doomsday if medicare and medicade is a legitmate government function (I don't believe it is) or we can deal with it in a way that minimizes the costs that will bankrupt us later.

Don't call me names, tell me why we ought not pay for prevention......