Shame on them!
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Posted on 02/27/2006 4:31:02 AM PST by IrishMike
Good article
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Thank G-d you posted those pictures. Jeezzz,what a snake in the grass.
Also, the face of Islam in Indonesia is changing. Day by day, more and more laws or regulations established that are based on Islamic views. To build a church for instance, you need a permission from the local Islamic leaders. Otherwise they'll burn your church and nobody comes to help. Or, a new bill introduced recently that would forbid anybody to kiss in public... Or, the education law, which force the pupil to get educated according to his/her religion, regardless where s/he goes to school. So, Catholic school, for instance, have to provide Islamic courses for Muslim students... (and, indeed, there are many Muslim students in Christian schools).
"how many Indonesian Muslims listen to her "
I believe the article said that the Nahdlatul Ulama (NU) has 40 million members.
Abdul-Rahman Wahid, apparently is this young woman's father. He is a wonderful man, who is kind and benign. Maybe too benign for his own good. He was too accommodating and soft to be an effective President of Indonesia.
But he seems to have brought up his daughter well, and she seems not to have fallen far from the tree.
The pictures that somebody gratuitously posted have NOTHING to do with Yenny Wahid or her father. Or with Indonesia, for that matter.
I wonder just who is the "snake in the grass" with this kind of comment.
IMHO, it must have been "hijacked" about 1400 years ago, so are we seriously expecting it to "unjack" itself at some point?
Remember! Islam is one of the world's great religions with some very beautiful traditions and celebrations. Take for example, the famous "Ashoura" celebrated by Shiite Muslims around the world.
Ashoura is a very sweet and quaint Islamic tradition whereby people cut bloody gashes in their heads and bleed profusely over themselves while they work themselves up into a screaming, shouting religious frenzy.
Other young men will beat themselves bloody with chains, knives, swords, whips... etc.
It's a very - ahem - 'colorful' tradition.
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam
CAUTION: Some images may be disturbing to some people.
This guide is some 40 or so pages. Disturbing.
But he seems to have brought up his daughter well, and she seems not to have fallen far from the tree.
The pictures that somebody gratuitously posted have NOTHING to do with Yenny Wahid or her father. Or with Indonesia, for that matter.
I wonder just who is the "snake in the grass" with this kind of comment.
Fine.
Then go take a look at this site. This is mostly posted by a Christian who actually lives in Indonesia. Then tell me that I am the snake in the grass.
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam
CAUTION: Some images may be disturbing to some people.
This guide is some 40 or so pages. Disturbing.
One has to wonder what it will take for people to wake up.
The problem with Islam is NOT that it has been twisted or hijacked.
The problem with Islam is Islam.
jw
That would be Islam.
"But he seems to have brought up his daughter well, and she seems not to have fallen far from the tree. The pictures that somebody gratuitously posted have NOTHING to do with Yenny Wahid or her father. Or with Indonesia, for that matter. " I'm sure she hasn't fallen far from tree, and she seems quite personable. HOWEVER, to say that the pictures hve nothing to do with this Islamic family is misdirection. They are muslim and those are Islamic observances .
The Wahid family sound very accomplished and polished and have a good sounding message. However, isn't it okay for Muslims to lie to infidels?
But they do, because Ms.Wahid is a spokesman. It's always a good idea to keep the other face of this doctrine in mind.
I was trying to explain to my daughter why we must never trust them:
"They're monotheistic and acknowledge many of the prophets of the bible" she said.
"but not the Ten Commandmants " I replied.
I wasn't certain of this and googled it up and found there was one oblique reference in one of the surahs. There may be others but I found no reference and I turned up no discussion of this from any muslim apologists.
I'll admit I'm over my head in this, but I think this needs exploration. I think its strong ground.
Since they believe that all "messages" from "god" before the Koran became corrupted they do not specifically accept anything from the Bible or the Torah including the Ten Commandments.
jw
What pictures? Link please?
Not all NU members listen to her father, let alone to her. NU is an Islamic organization whose members usually listen to their leaders, but it's not solid either. In the election, the Awakening Party (NU's political wing) gathered much lower number than its supposed members.
I was going to make a poster out of images from Indonesia, but they are far too horrific to actually post here. Go and see the site I've linked to.
They make the photos I've posted above look like child's play.
THIS LINK IS DISTURBING: Do not click it if you are easily upset by images of violent muslims.
Agree
All the more reason for supporting people with her philosophy and beliefs.
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