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To: GSlob

Hey, I'm not arguing global warming. I'm wondering if it is appropriate for politicians to be muzzling scientists. I take it you think that's okay?


21 posted on 02/26/2006 11:40:22 AM PST by alumleg
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To: alumleg
Guess you missed this one:

Newsweek, April 28, 1975
www.denisdutton.com

There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production– with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now. The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas – parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia – where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.

26 posted on 02/26/2006 11:45:34 AM PST by SouthTexas
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To: alumleg
I'm wondering if it is appropriate for politicians to be muzzling scientists.

I'd be against muzzling them but definitely in favor of cutting all their funding until they can produce at least a halfway credible theory of man made climate change on a global scale.

So far I haven't seen it.

27 posted on 02/26/2006 11:46:47 AM PST by keat
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To: alumleg
Hey, I'm not arguing global warming. I'm wondering if it is appropriate for politicians to be muzzling scientists. I take it you think that's okay?

Is it appropriate for a scientist to use his position to advance a political agenda?

33 posted on 02/26/2006 11:49:34 AM PST by Always Right
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To: alumleg

It's disturbing, until you take into consideration that Hansen's words as an individual would be construed by many as NASA's opinion, not simply Hansen's.


35 posted on 02/26/2006 11:50:41 AM PST by Clara Lou (A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. --I. Kristol)
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To: alumleg
I'm wondering if it is appropriate for politicians to be muzzling scientists

Is it appropriate for scientists to politicize science? Is it appropriate for them to disseminate theories (e.g. the "forcing" theory) as established fact to the general public? Scientists on the other side have been muzzled in academia and the scientific press. Are you okay with that?

38 posted on 02/26/2006 11:51:26 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: alumleg

Do you think it's okay for journalists to muzzle scientists who don't subscribe to the global warming mantra?

Do you really think there's a conspiracy out there which will keep any scientist or wacko quiet? I notice that there's never any background done or search for motivation on a "muzzled" scientist who is already a Carterite "greenpisser." But if a scientist is skeptical of the global warming theory he's automatically searched for ties to Big Oil or the Bush Administration.

Give me a break, don't believe Everything you hear. Look at what motivates people and always be skeptical. You'll never find 100% agreement on any scientific theory, but in this day and age you'd think there were no scientists who disagree with the hockey stick.

Read "State of Fear," not as a crackpot rightwing book, but just to keep your mind open to motivational factors for the "humans are destroying the world" theories.

Never mind, just keep believing everything the New York Times tells you.


40 posted on 02/26/2006 11:52:10 AM PST by soloNYer
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To: alumleg

I am a scientist myself - a chemist. But if I presumed upon myself to pontificate in public with bogus authority about, say, planetary geology or some other field outside of my area of expertise - then not only muzzling but rotten eggs and tomatoes would be in order.


42 posted on 02/26/2006 11:54:30 AM PST by GSlob
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To: alumleg

I don't see where anyone has been muzzled. This scientist's opinion/theory is well known. Just because the agency he worked in has employees with different opinions from his is not necessarily muzzling. I think this guy is just frustrated and trying to get some attention thrown his way and the greenies are more than welcome to help his agenda.

As far as the science goes, severe hurricanes and warm ocean temperatures are not something new. Global warming / cooling is part of a natural cycle that is incompletely understood, but likely has its primary origin in the output of the sun. Numerous other factors mediate the overall effect.


51 posted on 02/26/2006 12:04:10 PM PST by Kirkwood ("When the s*** hits the fan, there is enough for everyone.")
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