[bnelson44]

My guess is the F-22 will end up being deployed at Luke.

[SandRat]

Raptor comes to Roost in Tucson!!!

[Echo Talon]

About 40 aircraft will take part in the training sessions, including historic warplanes such as the World War II-era P-51 Mustang and the F-86 Sabre, which was flown during the Korean War.

Should be one hell of a show!

[the invisib1e hand]

there ought to be pictures...

[Publius6961]

But some Tucsonans concerned about military-jet noise see the extra flights as an added headache and safety risk.

LOL!
There's that moonbat term again, when writers are afraid to say "in my really stupid opinion"... , when they are about to say something mindless...

[El Gato]

Before I read the article I thought "it would be really neat if they could use the "super cruise" feature all the way from their base in Virginia or Florida. (first wing is Langley AFB, Virginia, schoolhouse is Tyndall AFB in the Florida panhandle. That would mean they they'd be supersonic, but without use of afterburners. That would of course create a sonic boom, all the way across the US.

Then I read about some dingbat moaning about extra formation training being noisy. Once upon a time it was called the "sound of freedom". To many of us it still is. Then they compare the sound to a "nearby" (how nearby?) chainsaw, when the jet is 500 feet away. They won't be flying down that low much, and certainly not over the city, except of course when coming in to land or taking off. The sound diminishes by 6 dB for each doubling of the distance.

[null and void]

National security requirements are one thing. Practicing for air shows is another, said Daniel Patterson, city planning commissioner.

"I'm not sure it's appropriate to have all these additional overflights in a big city. It seems like it would be more appropriate for a remote location,"

I have to agree with him there. Far better that any training accidents happen over open desert.

FWIW, I was raised on Marine Corps airbases, I love the sound of jets.

[yoe]

You would think people like Daniel Patterson and the Tucsonans for Quality of Life etc. would be delighted to welcome these pilots and their planes but no, they conjure up selfish reasons why they shouldn’t be here. Patterson is all too typical of the bureaucrats that have allowed residential housing, packed like sardines, to be built in such close proximity to Davis Monthan all for the love of the developer who they let write the rules to build anywhere and everywhere. Now they howl that the noise is environmentally incompatible.

Tucson is unique in quality weather for training our young men and women to fly these marvelous machines that keep our country free; to hear them complain is tiresome to say the least. If the city is dumb enough to allow homes to be build along and under flight patterns and people are stupid enough to buy the same, so be it - Davis Monthan is far more important than a few malcontents.

[tanknetter]

National security requirements are one thing. Practicing for air shows is another, said Daniel Patterson, city planning commissioner.

"I'm not sure it's appropriate to have all these additional overflights in a big city. It seems like it would be more appropriate for a remote location," said Patterson, who is also a co-chairman of Tucsonans for Quality of Life, a citizens group concerned about the environmental impact of the air base.

"For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!

But it's "Saviour of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;"

- R. Kipling

[tanknetter]

BTW, if this is for the "Heritage Flight" displays, then we aren't really talking about some kind of high speed, turn-n-burn maneuvering training. Heritage Flight displays put aircraft from multiple generations into the same formation for nice and gentle (and completely photogenic), crowd-pleasing flybys.

There are lots of pictures of these available out on the web by googling "heritage flight" ... but a good primer page can be found here

[operation clinton cleanup]

The newest bird in the Air Force fleet — and one of the noisiest

I would nominate the F-104 Starfighter as one of the noisiest in AF history. While TDY at Incirlik in the early 90's, the Turkish AF still operated F-104's and when the took off, you could literally feel it in your gut.

[JoeGar]

Weren't those F-22s that did a fly-by prior to the start of the Daytona 500 last week?

[thinking]

Thats not noise...it is the sound of freedom....

[RightOnline]

"...said Patterson, who is also a co-chairman of Tucsonans for Quality of Life, a citizens group concerned about the environmental impact of the air base"

Yeah, slick. Shut that base down, then......and watch the effect on your local economy, nimrod (absolutely guarantee he's a Democrat).

Talk about yer "environmental impact"........

[Donald Meaker]

And remember, the YF-22 was half a mach slower than one of the tested versions of the YF-23, and also had significantly higher RCS than the YF-23.

[R. Scott]

He said the air-show training heaps one more aggravation onto residents already negatively affected by things like extra helicopter flights and on-again, off-again night training at D-M.

I feel soooooo sorry for these poor sensitive people. < /sarcasm>
I live close to a civilian airport and not far from Langley Air Force Base – and they have the Raptor assigned. I do occasionally hear the planes – but it doesn’t bother me a bit. I’m glad they’re up and flying.

[knews_hound]

My Dad was a Docent at Pima.

Damn I miss him.

Cheers,

knewshound

http://www.knewshound.blogspot.com/

[Babu]

A majority of Tucson residents ain't gonna like the Raptor -- Pima County, of which Tucson is a part always goes heavily DemonKat.

Send them right on up to Luke AFB, on the edge of the Phoenix Metro area, and Maricopa County, which wipes out the Pima County vote and always swings the state to the Republican side. They are welcome here!

We like seeing our military jets here in Phoenix, and we do see them regularly !!

[SevenMinusOne]

Thought you might enjoy - A bud of mine sent me this pic a few weeks ago - One of our Rhinos (F-18) getting the best of a Raptor...with guns to boot -

[righttackle44]

". . .will make its Tucson debut next weekend."

For deployment at Davis-Mothan AFB near the People's Republic of Tucson?

What a waste of machinery.