Posted on 02/25/2006 5:00:43 PM PST by Coleus
Hardly traits of a sword wielding pedophile.
The Wahabi invented their doctrines in the 18th century, some 1000 years after Muhummad. Where they get control of actual historic sites, they destroy them, to avoid inconvenient facts which counterdict their newly invented doctrine.
James Madison had it right. Established Religion is the problem. Before a religion is established, there is faith, integrity, and piety. After a religion becomes established, all that is left is greed, corruption, and cupidity.
It's one thing to point to the violence these clowns engage in, but something else nearer and dearer to their hearts are the idolotrous ceremonies they perform where they pretend to wash up before prayer.
Well said brother christian. It was said of the russians upon the fall of the USSR that when people have nothing, they won't believe in nothing, they will believe in ANYTHING. These muslims for the most part have nothing but their religion, and like poor people everywhere depend on their RELIGION when they have nothing else to save them from the grinding desperation of poverty.....Look at the irish of 200/300 years ago : the english had all but ground them into the dirt. They had reached about as low a point as people could go. But the catholic church stood by them even through the darkest times, that's why the church is still so powerful in Ireland...So it's not too hard to see why these muslims are so full of rage. Islam was a spent force centuries ago, and the economic development people in the Twin Trade Towers ignored them, 9/11 was their way of payback....And yet, if one was a true believer in Muhammud the cartoons would be easily ignored nonsense, but if one wasn't really SURE that he was a true prophet of GOD, a secondary to our lord JESUS, then that person becomes the rioter/arsonist...the devil's tool. Thus by doing their evil work they express clearly who their true god is : a tree is known by its fruit.
Pwnage.
Ya, rly.
Kill or kiss a rock, and they still have no guarantees of heaven!
It would be laughable if it werent so pathetic, and destructive!
Sura 9:5 of the Koran, Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.
Aap aap ahh dap dap!!!!!
It's a religion of peace
It's a religion of peace
It aint Slim W, but this'll gitr done!
Kill A Commie For Mommie
They are not looking for respect. They are looking for you to convert to Islam. If you don't you will be killed, unless you have a use for furthering Islam, in which case you will pay protection money,and live as a second class citizen. (Dhimmitude)
The talk about respect is to break down Infidel resistance to Islam. The last thing a Muslim needs is respect from a clueless Infidel like yourself,except to help the agenda along. - Tom
Too extreme. It was Martin Luther King who said : Judge not a person by the color of their skin(or their headscarf), judge them instead by the content of their character. This applies to all people everywhere throughout the universe. There are good people and bad people in every group of people you'll ever encounter. Thus we can only hope that the good people of iran will do their sacrificial duty and take out that nut and his terrorist mullahs before WE have to take him out. So, don't think all muslims are bad guys, they're not, some of them are far more saintly than you and I will ever be. What worries me is the oil deal the nut is making with china, 300 million chinese with gas-hungry cars is Demand with a capital D.
Tell ya whut,,, there were prolly a lot of really nice upright saintly god fearing people in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, and the World Trade Towers.... War is Hell!
I'll change my POV when they do. I'll change my version of the koranus when they do.
I believe in forgiveness, I turn the other cheek, however, I will not forget/fall back asleep, & I WILL NOT stretch out my neck and hand them the knife!
Sura 9:5 of the Koran, Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.
Yes, understandable. Turning the other cheek is one thing, offering your head to be chopped off is quite another. And yet, think about it : wouldn't you rather have them as good neighbors rather than insane terrorists? Love God, Love your neighbor, the ideal, yes? So where did it go wrong with them? Look around : in the US the average annual income is somewhere between $20,000 to $30,000, in afghanistan it's $200/year, and they live in mud dog houses. Wouldn't you be furious at that disparity? Thus we need to give them the social stability to develop a growing economy of material comforts like we have. They willingly die to go to a heaven where there are ever-flowing fountains of WATER, yes?...There it is then, and recent report : windmills to pump water from wells now being installed in afghanistan...The american eagle has 13 arrows of war in one claw, 13 healing leaves of peace in the other claw; let's emphasize the leaves of healing rather than the arrows, ok? It's a win-win future for both of our cultures...And too, my nephew is in the AF reserve at the balad hospital, saving iraqi as well as american lives right now.
I agree that Islam has little to do with G-d.
Islam was not founded by Mahomet, except in retrospect. The Qu'ran was not written until many years after his death. It was written to conform with the desires of his successors. Those successors tried to design a middle place between the Law if Israel, and the Grace of Christianity that would attract both. They supported pilgrimage to gain the cooperation of the various pagan pilgrimage sites. Even circumcision is between the practice of the Jews and the uncircumcised Christians.
The problem now is with the Hanabi school which declares all statements false which are not based on the Quran and Hadith. This locks that view deep within the Dark Ages. Hanabi school didn't matter much when it was locked deep within the depths of Arabia. When it took over Mecca and Medina, and got the funding of too too many petrodollars, they were able to spread their heresy.
No Islam is true to itself that does not include the mysticism of the Sufi, just as Christianity can not be understood without the influence of Irish Monastisism.
The problem was with Caliph Uthman (I think it was he, it may have been with the Caliph after him), who was corrupt, greatly favoring his own tribe, and was murdered. Those who supported Ali were complicit in the murder. Those who opposed Ali were complicit in corruption.
At that time the Catholic Church had also taken the broad road to hell called "established church". It is my personal belief that to the extent that the Revelation of John was prophetic, it referred to Constantine as the Antichrist. Constantine corrupted the church, and set up the church for every single doctrinal battles that followed by backing orthodox doctrine with the power of the Roman Army. Heresy became treason, and schism became rebellion. Rather than have religion be a matter of faith, and debate, it is fatally mixed with politics.
Thanks. Your scholarship contributes new insight into the dilemna that Islam finds itself. The statement about too many petro dollars is so true. I am hoping that the Islam religion goes through a reformation like the Christian Church. Our grandchildren may see some excitement.
Islam has gone through reformation. The Sufi (term refers to rough woolen clothes) turned Islam away from ever more wives and concubines, ever more luxury, to meditation and a pursuit of balance in one's relations with G-d and man.
The Wahabi are the counter reformers, or rather, more like Jim Jones would be to christianity.
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