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To: Hoplite
It is from Prussia's Order of the Crown (specifically, the Star of the Order, circa 1860's). Whatever the prior origins of the phrase, its meaning by the late 1800's was divorced from Viking mythology.

Gott Mit Uns translates DIRECTLY in German to mean "God With Us". Hitler appropriated it as a "peace offering "of sorts to German Christians, whom he had mostly pissed off previously (much of the resistance within Germany during the buildup to WWII was lead by Christian groups).

The nazis cared only about power - it was their only "principle". They used whatever propaganda they could to increase their standing. Hitler had deep disdain for any organization that threatened the nazi party - from the atheists and Freethinker groups, to devout Christians. Their aim was to break the non-party support structures and then reintegrate. Recall "Kinder, Kirche, Kueche" (Children, Church, Kitchen). He used the Enabling Act to dissolve particularly meddlesome churches and outlawed most atheistic and freethinking groups.

So yes, the nazis held contempt for devout Christians (and everyone else who threatened them, including atheists). And they didn't see themselves as, nor where they, "progressive". The totalitarian mindset only cares about control.

Hey, I coulda just called a Godwin. :)

30 posted on 02/24/2006 11:29:02 PM PST by M203M4
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To: M203M4

I should also add that Hitler wasn't the first to reintroduce "Gott Mit Uns" in the 20th Century. They pulled the same stunt in WWI. Give people who would otherwise disagree something to rally around.


31 posted on 02/24/2006 11:31:23 PM PST by M203M4
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To: M203M4; Hoplite
Gott Mit Uns translates DIRECTLY in German to mean "God With Us".

Yep! This is perfectly correct.

Hitler appropriated it as a "peace offering "of sorts to German Christians, whom he had mostly pissed off previously (much of the resistance within Germany during the buildup to WWII was lead by Christian groups).

He did not need to make a "peace offering" to German christians since he had close contact to both churches from the very beginning of his career as Reichskanzler.

With the Catholic church he fixed a treaty, the so called "Reichskonkordat" which give them the possibility to collect a so called "church tax" in Germany. Until today this is the most important financial basement of the Vatican. Pecunia non olet. Nothing new since Vespasian in Rome. There were many Catholics from the bottom of the church who had the balls to fight Hitler, but its leaders failed to give a adequate answer.

The situation within the Lutheran Church (Evangelische Kirche) was even much more critical. They founded a organisation called "Deutsche Christen" that tried to prove that Jesus was an aryan. Do I have to say more? Like in the Catholic church there were some who understood the true message of Christendom like Bonhoeffer, but they were very few.

It is a sad fact that German churches failed completely to find a answer to such a crude ideology like national socialism. Being devoted to their political "leaders" they followed blind all orders of Hitler. It is a shame that the atheists organized a much broader resistance than the Lutheran churches in particular.

The meaning of the second headline is: "Christ is the deadly enemy of the jews".

34 posted on 02/25/2006 1:07:59 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: M203M4
The nazis cared only about power - it was their only "principle".

Which might explain their bosom-buddy status with the Islamics.
As well told and extensively documented in the book shown below.
Chapter Six (pp.127-145) is especially good; it's titled:
"Hitler's Mufti: Muslim Anti-Semitism And The Continuing Islamic
War Against The Jews"


"The Myth Of Hitler's Pope by David G. Dalin


After reading that chapter, I wondered how the Islamics were
so slighted for their vigourous assistance to the Nazis in the
history classes I took.
LOL! Maybe the Jews were responsible for obscuring the WWII role
of the Islamics!
48 posted on 02/25/2006 11:14:20 AM PST by VOA
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