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Coca Leaf "Lunch For Kids"
The Weekend Australian ^ | February 25, 2006 | AFP

Posted on 02/24/2006 6:33:25 PM PST by Loyalist

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To: the invisib1e hand

Actually, to those with true ADHD, cocaine would have the same calming effect as Ritalin! Few doctors prescribe Ritalin anymore... the drug of choice is now good old fashionned "speed": Dextroamhetamines (Dexies, as in "Dexie and the Midnight Runners"), now sold as Adderall; Methamphetamines (the basis of "Crystal Meth"), now sold as Desoxyn;


21 posted on 02/24/2006 6:52:52 PM PST by dangus
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To: cripplecreek
"I think they chewed the dried leaves with lime."

Yes, they use a little bit of ashes (not sure if it matters what they are from) but my understanding is that the lime in them releases the alkaloids.

Still, compared to a venti from Starbucks, no comparison. It's more a lack of being tired then a kick.
22 posted on 02/24/2006 6:54:49 PM PST by ndt
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To: Loyalist

Junkies in the making!


23 posted on 02/24/2006 6:57:01 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: ndt

Even cocaine in my youth wasn't really all that much of a stimulant that I could tell. I guess that's why it never really interested me.


24 posted on 02/24/2006 6:57:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Loyalist

25 posted on 02/24/2006 6:58:26 PM PST by Solamente
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Dude!


26 posted on 02/24/2006 7:02:07 PM PST by mcmuffin (About time to open up a can of vintage '94 GOP WhoopA$$-before it goes flat-again)
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To: Loyalist

honestly it is their country, we don't buy oil from them, the product grows naturally everywhere and has been used locally in native form for time immemorial...

There is tremendous demand for cocaine in the US and anyone who understands economics 101 knows that prohibition creates a black market which artificially increases prices, including presumably the price paid to coca farmers in s. america compared to other crops they might grow. If anyone here thinks this multi-billion dollar cash, tax-free industry has not corrupted some elements of our own government (state, federal, local) you are in serious error.

I know there are some who support ripping every enumerated item in the bill of rights out in the name of the WOD without even the pretense that progress towards the 'goal' has to be demonstrably made to justify this.


27 posted on 02/24/2006 7:03:04 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: ndt
Actually one thing that does pack a wallop is Mate

Mate, huh? I may have to try some of this stuff.


28 posted on 02/24/2006 7:04:32 PM PST by SIDENET ("IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!")
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To: cripplecreek

As NDT said, Coffee is stronger.

It's pure beauacratic stupidity that we are bothering to fight the actual plant in a foreign country, especially when we have a leader that's actually good on fighting the drug, but recognizes the impossibility of disrupting a harmless activity that's been part of the native culture for centuries.


29 posted on 02/24/2006 7:09:28 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: SIDENET
"Mate, huh? I may have to try some of this stuff."

There are two was of drinking it. Mate Cocido is what is in that pic, it looks just like green tea and taste a lot like it too. About the same as regular tea.

Then there is the traditional mate gourd and bombilla, that is what has the potential to ruin your night. Basically you fill the gourd 3/4 full of mate and stick a straw in the side. Then you keep pouring hot water over the leaves between sips and pass it around like an Argentine bong

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30 posted on 02/24/2006 7:14:25 PM PST by ndt
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To: Loyalist

...Asked to comment on Mr Choquehuanca's proposal, opposition MP and former education minister Tito Hoz de Vila said coca would have a detrimental effect on schoolchildren...

31 posted on 02/24/2006 7:18:18 PM PST by walford (http://the-big-pic.org)
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To: ndt

Are there bad side effects with the powerful stuff?


32 posted on 02/24/2006 7:19:35 PM PST by SIDENET ("IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!")
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To: ndt; Caipirabob; Cacique
Actually one thing that does pack a wallop is Mate

The nickname for this brand is "The Dirty Little Girl"

Porque no se lava nunca.

33 posted on 02/24/2006 7:21:46 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SIDENET
"Are there bad side effects with the powerful stuff?"

Other then missing a night of sleep and being a bit jumpy, no. Its main ingredient is caffeine but it also contains a similar chemical mateine. I would avoid it if you are hypersensitive to caffeine. It's drunk daily all over Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay and has been for generations..
34 posted on 02/24/2006 7:25:38 PM PST by ndt
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To: dangus

If you look at the chemical structure of ritalin vs. cocaine, there is a fair amount of similarity.


35 posted on 02/24/2006 7:26:33 PM PST by staytrue
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To: mcmuffin

IS that Sarah Jessica Parker in the middle? HHOK!


36 posted on 02/24/2006 7:41:45 PM PST by dangus
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To: Loyalist

Yum


37 posted on 02/24/2006 7:44:13 PM PST by Jorge
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To: cripplecreek
"..Maybe so, but the natives managed to get a pretty strong stimulant effect out of a few leaves in their cheek..."

I vaguely remember the story of how the coca plant got introduced to the outside world. It seems a British visitor observed the workings of a mine over there, and noted that the laborers seemed impervious to pain, and showed no ill effects from the cold, though scantily clad. It astonished him that, though the workers were so old that in Britain they would have long retired, they still managed to perform continuing heavy labor without complaint.

It was only a few years later on the followup, that it was discovered that the workers weren't in their late 60's, but were in fact in their late 30's! The effects of the leaves, chewed for so long, had deteriorated their health so significantly that they were mistaken as elderly miracles, rather than burnt out husks.

And we complain about cheeseburgers...

38 posted on 02/24/2006 8:07:29 PM PST by pickrell (Old dog, new trick...sort of)
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To: ndt

Hadn't had that stuff in years! Feels illegal though, passing the cup and steel straw around:) Spent a super bowl sunday some years ago ignoring football and drinking Mate and playing guitar with 3 lovely hotties from Buenas Aires. Groovy time - as older generations might say.


39 posted on 02/24/2006 8:07:37 PM PST by posterchild (I FReep therefore I am.)
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To: martin_fierro; ndt; Caipirabob; SIDENET; Clemenza; PARodrig
When I was a small back in Argentina I was given a tall glass of maté cocido every morning as were all kids. I believe the practice is the same in Uruguay. As you get older you drink it with a Boquilla and bombilla, that serving contains the equivalent of 750 mg's of caffeine. However, mateine which is the main stimulant of maté is much easier on the brain than caffeine. There are studies that show it has positive cardiovascular sideffects and perhaps helps in other areas as well.

When one of my European cousins dropped by to visit last year I turned him onto drinking maté and sent him on his way back with a kilo bag of Malta Yerba Maté. Since he can't get the stuff over there I have been forced to become his supplier.

Of course Argentines also start drinking wine with meals at a very young age as well. I think that accounts for the lower heart attack rates. However, Argentina also boasts more psychiatrists per capita than any other country. I think that is probably due to the politics though.



40 posted on 02/24/2006 8:10:07 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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