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Medicine Needs Evolution
Science ^ | 2/24/2006 | Randolph M. Nesse and two others

Posted on 02/24/2006 1:42:41 PM PST by Right Wing Professor

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One frequently reads here on FR that evolution is of no practical use in the health-related professions. This editorial rebuts that assertion
1 posted on 02/24/2006 1:42:42 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: PatrickHenry

Ping-a-ling!


2 posted on 02/24/2006 1:43:34 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

Are you saying doctors don't know about this stuff?


3 posted on 02/24/2006 1:45:19 PM PST by mlc9852
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4 posted on 02/24/2006 1:48:55 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
From now on, in these evolution threads, I'm only going to say this:

There is no theory of evolution. There is only a list of plants and animals that Chuck Norris allows to live.
5 posted on 02/24/2006 1:49:34 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

Zzzz....


6 posted on 02/24/2006 1:53:14 PM PST by onedoug
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To: mlc9852

Most doctors are quite familiar with evolution.


7 posted on 02/24/2006 1:57:04 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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There is no theory of evolution. There is only a list of plants and animals that Chuck Norris allows to live.

Note that the divine FSM is part plant and animal. Norris is FSM's servant, dispatching justice in the manner as he was designed to do. :-)

8 posted on 02/24/2006 1:59:46 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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>There is no theory of evolution. There is only a list of plants and animals that Chuck Norris allows to live.

Note that the divine FSM is part plant and animal. Norris is FSM's servant, dispatching justice in the manner as he was designed to do. :-)

Does this mean Chuck Norris is the midget beside the mountain?

9 posted on 02/24/2006 2:11:02 PM PST by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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Does this mean Chuck Norris is the midget beside the mountain?

Yes. He's actually 5'10" tall but is considered a midget in contrast to the giants that roamed the earth prior to the Great Flood (Noah didn't have room for giants on his ark).

Trivia tidbit: Chuck's real first name is "Carlos."

10 posted on 02/24/2006 2:20:12 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Most doctors are quite familiar with evolution.

Indeed they are. Those are the only ones I'd consider going to.

11 posted on 02/24/2006 2:25:30 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: fr_freak

That's a fact!


12 posted on 02/24/2006 2:34:04 PM PST by Condorman (Prefer infinitely the company of those seeking the truth to those who believe they have found it.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Do you always have conversations with yourself?


13 posted on 02/24/2006 2:45:50 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: From many - one.

check back to see how thread evolves


14 posted on 02/24/2006 2:50:39 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: Right Wing Professor

Then what was your point?


15 posted on 02/24/2006 2:51:01 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Right Wing Professor
One frequently reads here on FR that evolution is of no practical use in the health-related professions. This editorial rebuts that assertion.

I accept evolution, but I believe it to be of minor importance to practicing physicians and scientists (except for evolutionary biologists). Far from rebutting that belief, the editorial confirms it. Consider:

Biochemistry courses cover bilirubin metabolism, but an evolutionary explanation for why bilirubin is synthesized at all is new: It is an efficient free-radical scavenger.

Evolutionary theory may explain the purpose of bilirubin synthesis; but biochemists were able to discover the pathway for bilirubin metabolism without explicit reference to evolutionary theory. That is pretty much true of all of biochemistry: the chemistry came first, the evolutionary explanation came along later.

Pharmacology emphasizes individual variation in genes encoding cytochrome P450s, but their evolutionary origins in processing dietary toxins are just being fully appreciated.

In other words, the pharmacology came first; the evolutionary explanation came later (after the real work has been done).

In physiology, fetal nutritional stress appears to flip an evolved switch that sets the body into a state that protects against starvation. When these individuals encounter modern diets, they respond with the deadly metabolic syndrome of obesity, hypertension, and diabetes.

Was metabolic syndrome predicted by evolutionary biology, then observed in individual patients? Or did it happen the other way around?

Evolution is more explanatory than predictive when it comes to biochemistry, molecular biology, and related fields.

16 posted on 02/24/2006 2:51:37 PM PST by Logophile
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17 posted on 02/24/2006 2:53:50 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: mlc9852
Are you saying doctors don't know about this stuff?

How about the doctors that needlessly prescribe antibiotics to patients without the understanding that "super" strains of bacteria are evolving that are becoming resistant to every known antibiotic?

18 posted on 02/24/2006 3:00:42 PM PST by phantomworker (You are the only person who defines you: Begins & ends with you-Go to the mirror & see for yourself)
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Evolution is more explanatory than predictive when it comes to biochemistry, molecular biology, and related fields.

I don't think the authors disagree. Their point was that, if medicine took more of an evolutionary perspective, that more predictiveness would result.

(BTW, I disagree w.r.t. biochemistry. With the advent of genomics, molecular evolution is assuming more and more of a role in modern biochemistry. Bioinformatics is perhaps the hottest current subfield of biochem./mol. biol. )

19 posted on 02/24/2006 3:17:42 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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Patients want antibiotics for everything these days. I think if we know about superstrains, doctors probably know too.

Of course, there is the chance that these doctors were not allowed to learn the theory of evolution in high school.


20 posted on 02/24/2006 3:38:36 PM PST by mlc9852
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