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Looking for Signs of Civil War in Iraq ~ A reasoned view on what to look for.....
The Fourth Rail ^ | February 23, 2006 | Bill Roggio

Posted on 02/23/2006 5:29:14 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

eviewing the leading indicators that Iraq is sliding into a full scale civil war.


After the destruction of the dome of the Golden Mosque Samarra, the fashionable meme in the media is to declare Iraq is on the verge of a full civil war - if not already in the midst of one. Iraq has experienced random acts of organized and unorganized violence - in the sense that the retaliations have not been ordered from high levels within the government or religious parties, but are more of the “spontaneous” nature directed at the local level. Reports indicate there are attacks on Sunni mosques (Mohammed at Iraq the Model reports over 120 Sunni mosques have been at targeted by rifle and grenade attacks ar last count), with three Sunni clerics killed and up to 80 killed overall in violence, along with large protests.

By all indications, the situation in Iraq is tense, and the threat of continued violence is real. The possibility of a full-scale civil war is quite real as emotions are running high over the destruction of the revered Shiite shrine and the retaliation against Sunni mosques.

But the media has not asked or answered the following question: what exactly are the leading indicators for a full blown civil war - meaning the political leadership of the main Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish parties no longer wish cooperate, and an open and organized battle between the parties ensues?

The following list contains the main lead indicators a full scale civil War in Iraq is underway:

• The Shiite United Iraqi Alliance no longer seeks to form a unity government and marginalize the Shiite political blocks.
• Sunni political parties withdraw from the political process.
• Kurds make hard push for independence/full autonomy.
• Grand Ayatollah Sistani ceases calls for calm, no longer takes a lead role in brokering peace.

• Muqtada al-Sadr becomes a leading voice in Shiite politics.
• Major political figures - Shiite and Sunni - openly call for retaliation.
• The Sunni Iraqi Islamic Party and Muslim Scholars Association openly call for the formation of Sunni militias.
• Interior Ministry ceases any investigations into torture and death squads, including the case against recently uncovered problems with the Highway Patrol. • Defense Minister Dulaimi (a Sunni) is asked to step down from his post.
• Iraqi Security Forces begins severing ties with the Coalition, including:

o Disembeddeding the Military Transition Teams.
o Requests U.S. forces to vacate Forward Operating Bases / Battle Positions in Western and Northern Iraq.
o Alienates Coalition at training academies.
• Iraqi Security Forces make no effort to quell violence or provide security in Sunni neighborhoods.

• Iraqi Security Forces actively participate in attacks on Sunnis, with the direction of senior leaders in the ministries of Defense or Interior.
• Shiite militias are fully mobilized, with the assistance of the government, and deployed to strike at Sunni targets. Or, the Shiite militias are fully incorporated into the Iraqi Security Forces without certification from Coalition trainers.
• Sunni military officers are dismissed en masse from the Iraqi Army.
• Kurdish officers and soldiers leave their posts and return to Kurdistan, and reform into Peshmerga units.
• Attacks against other religious shrines escalate, and none of the parties make any pretense about caring.
• Coalition military forces pull back from forward positions to main regional bases.

Iraq has yet to encounter any of the problems stated above. The Sunni led Iraqi Accordance Front has suspended talks to form a government, but have not withdrawn from the political process. The Iraqi Security Forces have taken appropriate measures and suspended all leaves, but there are no indications they are cooperating with militias or abetting the violence in any way. There have been both encouraging statements by the Shiite and Sunni leaders. There also have been some irresponsible statements from the politicians on all sides, but this can be understood as tensions are running high. The Shiites are devastated by the destruction of the Golden Mosque and the Sunnis are horrified at the retaliation attacks. What is critical is what is said and done by these politicians in the next few days and weeks.

By Bill Roggio | Posted February 23, 2006 | Permalink | Print Article


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq
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1 posted on 02/23/2006 5:29:15 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Once Sadam was out of the way it would of been a matter of time before they started fighting among themselves. Unless there is a strong cental Government to keep the order, Iraq will become the Bosnia of the middle east.


2 posted on 02/23/2006 5:35:47 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I am still not sure why we did not divide Iraq up into the three natural areas. I have less confidence than I did in this new goverment to gain a handle. There does not seem to be a charismatic leader to lead these people.


3 posted on 02/23/2006 5:44:11 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775 (I)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
fashionable meme in the media is to declare Iraq is on the verge of a full civil war

It's funny no matter how the MSM spins it what you see and whats reported by them are 2 totally different things

And yet Millions will will decry civil war and it's the same violence you've seen day in and day out !

Also i'm Curious i heard in a report on CBS radio today the gold dome over there is where JESUS Ascended to heaven i thought they followed Muhammed ? and i know the guy said Jesus Christ !

4 posted on 02/23/2006 5:45:31 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (The Death Penalty isn't for making examples it's for making bad people DEAD!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"The Shiites are devastated by the destruction of the Golden Mosque and the Sunnis are horrified at the retaliation attacks. "

Which one does Bush call the terrorists?

5 posted on 02/23/2006 5:47:53 PM PST by ex-snook (God of the Universe, God of Creation, God of Love, thank you for life.)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Probably talking about the "Dome of the Rock." The Gold Dome Mosque on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. The Dome is built over the rock (a big rock with what looks like a large footprint across it) that was the biblical site where Abraham offered to sacrifice Isaac. It is the site that Mohammed ascended to Heaven on a white steed with the Angel Gabriel (from Medina in believe).
6 posted on 02/23/2006 5:51:52 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

"And yet Millions will will decry civil war and it's the same violence you've seen day in and day out !"

Isn't the number of Mosque attacks way up?


7 posted on 02/23/2006 5:58:09 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: darkwing104; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Once Sadam was out of the way it would of been a matter of time before they started fighting among themselves. Unless there is a strong cental Government to keep the order, Iraq will become the Bosnia of the middle east.

I pretty much agree on that one but I don't see one coming unless it is in the form of a Tito type dictatorship. The hate in that region is tribal and as old as dirt. Such a dictatorship would likely not fair well for us as this isn't Europe we are talking about. By that I mean Yugoslavia was not surrounded by terrorist supporting nations. I was in Yugoslavia twice in the late 1970's. It was easy enough to see how peace there was maintained. It was from what I saw a police state. The police we not tolorant of too much either.

But as for Iraq there's simply too many outside influences in and near Iraq with no way to stop them from coming in. Peace may happen there for a short while but I just don't see it taking hold especially as a free self governing nation.

This is a situation where nation building is like hugging a tar baby. We achieved the military objective that being the removal of Saddam & sons and we should not have fallen into letting the state department become the manager of the war at that point but that indeed is what has happened. It was obvious from the early days of the war by the selective air strikes not aiming for their vital infrastructure we were there to rebuild Iraq.

Our history has shown us trying to nation build under such hostilities {during war} is futile. The war needs to be separated from that and the rebuilding portion abandoned. I fear we are just training another problem for another likeness of Saddam in their not so distant future.

Our military effort needs to be focused on Iran now. Hopefully we will not use the same approach there as well. After Iran we need a substancial stand down to rebuild our military and give all troops some down time. Congress needs to re-evaluate the ongoing issue of using NG's and reserves for what has become the never ending call up to active duty rotation that started under Poppy Bush.

8 posted on 02/23/2006 6:46:31 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach


Since the bombing there has been riots, roadside bombs and civil unrest...so how can we tell if there is a civil war looming?


9 posted on 02/23/2006 6:57:00 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

10 posted on 02/24/2006 12:21:58 AM PST by cartoonistx
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To: cartoonistx

Well... looks like our work here is done.


11 posted on 02/24/2006 5:36:58 AM PST by Maine For Bush
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