[Pit1]

"a civilization that no longer believes in its own future also rejects procreation" if this were true secular China would see its population fall. This is not true.

I submit that China is very high on it's future. They along with India will be the next world power. Europe is on the skids and America is slowly choking itself with PC and diversity stuff.

China has strong beliefs in Confucianism, Buddhism, Taoism. I wouldn't call then secular.

[RKV]

I sure would call China secular, and the several friends of mine who have been there would call it the same. I think Europe is headed for an obit unless they turn things around, but completely disagree that secularism is the cause.