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To: Fruitbat
I read one of his links. It was disturbing actually

The “hauling up” ceremony for the Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist (ESWS) and Enlisted Aviation Warfare Specialist (EAWS) pennants occurred shortly after Vinson moored pierside in the United Arab Emirates’ port of Jebel Ali near the city of Dubai.

In my 4 years on board a United States Navy Aircraft Carrier we moored in only one foreign port one time and that nation was a member of NATO. If people can't understand how blatant foolish this was then they very well deserve the leaders they so blindly follow. Some of us prefer erroring on the side of caution and remember mistakes of the past. Others simply think oh well things happen I guess.

77 posted on 02/23/2006 2:24:36 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe
Some of us prefer erroring on the side of caution and remember mistakes of the past. Others simply think oh well things happen I guess.

Yeah, sadly so. I expect more from conservative types however. Thanks.

81 posted on 02/23/2006 3:41:27 PM PST by Fruitbat
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The “hauling up” ceremony for the Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist (ESWS) and Enlisted Aviation Warfare Specialist (EAWS) pennants occurred shortly after Vinson moored pierside in the United Arab Emirates’ port of Jebel Ali near the city of Dubai.

I want to clarify something on the CARL VINSON mooring pier side at Jebel Ali. IF an emergency had occurred the ship would not have been able to get underway out of port right then and there on it's own power. Meaning tugs are required.

The advantage defense wise for anchoring off shore is the immediate within two minutes time to have the ship actually moving underway and completely on it's own power & steering with no help needed. A carrier can do it I saw mine do it in 1977 anchored off the coast of Yugoslavia. The deck houses and anchor was being hoisted the same time the screws were being engaged.

One last point if anyone thinks MARDET would have provided security, MARDET was eliminated I believe sometime in the early to mid 1990's from the carriers. MARDET means Marine Detachment which was the carriers security force used to repel boarders and threats to the ship.

84 posted on 02/23/2006 4:04:11 PM PST by cva66snipe
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