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THE PORT DEAL - THIS COULD BE BUSH'S FIRST VETO? HE'S JOKING, RIGHT? (Boortz on Poortz)
Nealz Nuze ^ | 2/22/06 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 02/22/2006 4:24:38 PM PST by LibertarianInExile

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To: Charlespg

pay attention...... the issue is not security. Port security is not at stake and the company in question will not have any security operations other than the fiduciary responsible for transferring sealed containers from the steamship lines to te truckers or visaversa.

The security problem you sweat is trivial when compared with the containers originating in countries where there is no control at all, say Nigeria or Ivorie Coast where they send us containers of coca.


81 posted on 02/22/2006 6:33:44 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: bert

The company in question is a GOVERNMENT!

The GOVERNMENT in question has of yet to answer why money from their banks was funneled to the 911 terrorists.

The GOVERNMENT in question won't even recognize Israel or non-muslim religions.

Who is the bigot here.


82 posted on 02/22/2006 6:47:45 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Blue Jays

bookmarked


83 posted on 02/22/2006 6:53:05 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: MikeinIraq

That's the point...if the deal was so lousy that there were no US takers, why did the Arabs snap it up? They must want it for some other reason, and we can make some pretty good guesses what that might be.


84 posted on 02/22/2006 6:56:40 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: AmishDude

"Even Libertarianism is selective. Imagine that."

That's right, it stops at the water's edge. Why wouldn't patriotism come before politics? I have never claimed to put anything other than America first. Boortz is much the same. I might disagree with people here how to best defend her, but I have never doubted that she deserves a strong defense, and I am not a big "L" libertarian, contrary to the inferences many draw from my freepername.


85 posted on 02/22/2006 7:14:44 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: LibertarianInExile
That's right, it stops at the water's edge.

No it doesn't. The LP has a foreign policy statement. Shall I dig it out? It starts with open borders...

86 posted on 02/22/2006 7:19:17 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude

"No it doesn't. The LP has a foreign policy statement. Shall I dig it out? It starts with open borders..."

Yes it does, but if you'd read my entire post instead of rushing to pigeonhole me, you might have noticed that I clearly stated that "...I am not a big "L" libertarian, contrary to the inferences many draw from my freepername." If we're going to go judging on freepernames alone without reading posts, I bet you have muttonchop sideburns, wear overalls, smell like a horse, and don't belong on a computer. The LP's statement of principles is neither mine nor Boortz's, and both my prior post and my freeper homepage bear this out, and if you want to check out Boortz's differences just google "Boortz speak Libertarian Party."


87 posted on 02/22/2006 7:30:51 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: LibertarianInExile
The LP's statement of principles is neither mine nor Boortz's

Maybe, but when you call yourself a libertarian, there's some baggage there. If you deviate from that, fine, but it's not a libertarian stance.

Open borders is very consistent with libertarianism and is the default stance for even the "small" l-ers.

88 posted on 02/22/2006 7:37:42 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: LibertarianInExile

We've got all the Arabists coming out of the woodwork on this issue. I always knew it to be a problem, look at how the Norquist scandal got papered over way back when. But even I am surprised by their multitude and ideological tunnel vision. If the GOP's only hope is to coddle the Arabists (and more relevantly, their bag men?) then we probably deserve to take a fall. Maybe we'd learn a lesson.


89 posted on 02/22/2006 7:44:02 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: AmishDude

And when you call yourself AmishDude there's some baggage there. What of it? If I call myself Chappaquiddick Ted my opinions are still mine, not his. I'm weary of the discussion, and have no interest in changing my screenname to accommodate people who cannot understand what I've said plainly (I don't see anyone but you in doubt as to where I stand) and even posted to my freeper homepage. Why should I deal with months of 'noob' or 'troll' accusations every time I deviate from the GOP party line, because some people can't get past a screen name?


90 posted on 02/22/2006 7:50:25 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: LibertarianInExile
I was talking about Boortz and I wasn't questioning his wisdom, just his adherence to libertarianism. It's you who have to live with your moniker. This is the name you have chosen.
91 posted on 02/22/2006 7:58:53 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: Blue Jays
Hi All-

There are no benefits associated with having an Islamic company/country so intimately involved with the day-to-day operations of our major shipping ports.

~ Blue Jays ~

92 posted on 02/22/2006 8:03:43 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Sad but true BUMP. I only hope the GOP wakes up that this division is on a wedge issue, that it grates every time the middle sees either side dancing about it, and that the GOP-run government starts legitimately policing the border and ports instead of putting up the 5% effort it does now. It'd sure help if they'd start with checking employers and colleges known as illegal havens.


93 posted on 02/22/2006 8:08:34 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: Blue Jays

Not true! There will be much nicer rugs on the floor, at least 5 times a day, anyway.


94 posted on 02/22/2006 8:09:31 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

"Since they probably own 50% of the cargo being offloaded, thats not a bad idea!"

LOL--just caught that. Mebbe I'll send that to the WH.


95 posted on 02/22/2006 8:12:19 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: Siena Dreaming

Which port are we talking about? I have heard it the other way--that the U.S. Navy regular stops there, and the Dubai Port World services our military there.

No matter. American national security should still not rest on an autocratic Arab foundation, whether in the Mideast or in Miami.


96 posted on 02/22/2006 8:15:15 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: MikeinIraq

There would have been hell to pay if the port contract was awarded to Halliburton.

However no foreign company or country should even be allowed to rent an office in one of our ports. This includes England. These ports are high security zones.


97 posted on 02/22/2006 8:26:10 PM PST by vernvet
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To: MikeinIraq
"Don't you think they would have tried something like that OVER THERE first? I mean we only have 2 sizable military presences over there..... "

That depends on motive and opportunity. Detonating a nuclear device against US troops kills a few tens of thousands of US troops. From a military standpoint, that's not particularly significant, and would bring easy retribution. It would cause worldwide shock and outrage, but nothing at home on the scale of what a nuclear blast in Chicago or New York would bring.

You detonate a couple of nuclear devices against US military, you win a battle and lose a war against an enemy that knows the nuclear gloves are off. You detonate a couple nuclear devices in major US cities and you cripple the nation, collapse the economy, murder millions of Americans, and bring about the biggest strike against any westernized civilization in the history of the world.
98 posted on 02/22/2006 8:38:46 PM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: NJ_gent
Hi NJ_gent:

Yet sadly there would still be Americans wringing their hands over "what we did" to make those poor Muslims so upset if they ever utilized WMD.

I agree with you that terrorists will go for the whole civilian enchilada if they can get their mittens on nuclear weapons. They're not particularly interested in hardened military targets if they have an option to go after regular people on their way to work.

~ Blue Jays ~

99 posted on 02/22/2006 9:42:06 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: MikeinIraq
This account has been banned or suspended.

Anyone know why?

100 posted on 02/22/2006 9:58:29 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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