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A Tone Deaf President: A Hyperventilating Opposition
MND ^ | February 22, 2006 | Will Malven

Posted on 02/22/2006 1:39:33 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy

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To: clawrence3
Thx...that's an interesting link.

And, of course, Citibank has some rather large Saudi investors in itself. Incestuous little world. Will be nice if some scientist can discover a way for us to get away from an oil-based world.

101 posted on 02/22/2006 3:18:35 PM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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To: clawrence3

Your point is?

The question was how the UAE/Dubai feel about Israel, not how Joe L. feels about Dubai/UAE.


102 posted on 02/22/2006 3:21:21 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: clawrence3

I'm sure there is, but if you have a family sometimes the pride aside you'll do what you have to. Within legal means of course.


103 posted on 02/22/2006 3:21:59 PM PST by swheats
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
The thought of foriegn ownership is somewhat less than palatable, isn’t it?

Foreign ownership in general doesn't bother me. Foreign ownership by governments of Communist dictatorships or Islamic theocracies does bother me quite a bit. If I had to choose one or the other, I'd take the 50% Chicom deal simply because right now we're not in a shooting war with them. That and they haven't tried to blow up anything in this country (yet).
104 posted on 02/22/2006 3:23:33 PM PST by BubbaTheRocketScientist
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To: From many - one.

I already posted above that the royal family in Dubai does not like Israel - if that's some litmus test to base foreign policy decisions on, then I think Senator Lieberman's opinion is just as important.


105 posted on 02/22/2006 3:31:31 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Dark Skies

You're welcome - you will note that the press release is dated 11/29/05 - this has never been a big secret, even if most FReepers didn't know about it.


106 posted on 02/22/2006 3:32:37 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: vetsvette
That's in the first sentence and it's all one needs to read to understand that this guy's full of horse apples.

What American corporation is in the business?

107 posted on 02/22/2006 3:34:19 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: RightWhale

SSA Marine, for one - see above thread.


108 posted on 02/22/2006 3:37:32 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
This deal might make sense financially, but it is a stinker politically. I would suggest that the UAE, the Saudi's, and other Arabs spread their money quietly.

I am amazed that they think their image is so good as to not raise plenty of red flags.

Either they think Americans are truly stupid...or they are truly naive.

109 posted on 02/22/2006 3:38:48 PM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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To: RightWhale

See my post #75 - in addition, SSA Marine operates ports in Mexico, Panama, and Chili - and someone else posted they are going to run the Umm Qasr port in Iraq. That being said, I have two points:

1) Shutting down the P&O sale will have ripple effects, including, I am sure, retaliation against SSA Marine in Mexico, Panama, and Chili.

2) SSA Marine did not bid and/or cannot raise $7 billion for P&O.


110 posted on 02/22/2006 3:43:37 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Took a while to find. Not a public corporation.

SSA Marine the world's largest privately held cargo terminal operator and cargo handling company, and the Port of Seattle have joined together to enter into a deal for nearly one million gallons of biodiesel annually beginning in 2006 by converting their entire vehicle fleet to run on Washington-produced biodiesel.

111 posted on 02/22/2006 3:44:10 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Dark Skies

I agree their PR departments should have planned for this better, but it is what it is - there's no way Bush is backing down from this now.


112 posted on 02/22/2006 3:44:31 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

True, but there are lots of ways to defer those taxes, and they get credit for income taxes they actually pay to non-US jurisdictions. The bottom line is that it ain't the US tax system that has brought about this state of affairs; it's the notion that it's OK to outsource just about anything. Let's hope this becomes a teachable moment.


113 posted on 02/22/2006 3:45:27 PM PST by mdwakeup
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To: clawrence3
It might not be a bad deal, but even the investment bankers should have foreseen the need to develop a huge PR campaign. The more I think about it, I fault the bankers mostly (as a retired investment banker, I feel qualified to be an armchair quarterback...heh, heh).
114 posted on 02/22/2006 3:51:42 PM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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To: Dark Skies

SOMEONE at Citibank should have guessed that too, I agree.


115 posted on 02/22/2006 3:52:22 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: RightWhale

There are probably lots of reasons why DWP is better suited to runs these ports than SSA Marine.


116 posted on 02/22/2006 3:54:14 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

You agree that you said the family "does not like" Israel.

I provided the hard information that the _country_ does not _recognize_ Israel.

Senator Lieberman's views are a red herring.


117 posted on 02/22/2006 3:56:44 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: clawrence3

Size of firm, probably. There might be an American corporation in the business even though SSA Marine is not a public corporation: there may be others that are corporations.


118 posted on 02/22/2006 3:57:16 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: RightWhale

I have not come across any others - Halliburton actually builds ports, but does not run any - definitely none I know of that can take over 7 U.S. ports on March 2nd.


119 posted on 02/22/2006 4:00:33 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

What would a company have to have by way of $ value to undertake this contract? $2 billion? That's how it works in business, in the oil pipeline business for example. The TransAlaska Natural Gas Pipeline contract required the successful bidder to have an interest, either ownership of proven gas reserves or company capital, of several $ billion just to bid.


120 posted on 02/22/2006 4:04:17 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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