"Hospital workers in New Orleans have helped me come up with a new Democrat nation wide plan to keep costs down in elder care."
Posted on 02/22/2006 9:50:09 AM PST by bildabare
ZOT-like.
Well, right at the corner of NW 12 Avenue and NW 16 Street, you will find yourself right in the middle of a gargantuan medical complex that includes the Jackson Memorial Medical Center, the University of Miami Medical School Hospitals, the Veteran’s Administration Hospital and Cedars Medical Center………. all within view of each other.
After that there is Baptist Hospital, Kendall Medical Center, South Miami Hospital, Doctor’s Hospital Miami Children’s Hospital, Larkin Hospital, etc. ,etc.
You also have to assume that elective surgery was geared down in preparation for the storm and that only those who truly need hospitalization are still hospitalized.
When a 16-wheeler is coming straight at you at 60 mph while you are jaywalking across South Dixie Highway, you do not need to run out of Dade County. You merely need to run out of the street before you are flattened.
Your blanket statements that evacuations in the case of any Category 5 hurricanes are not only impossible but also worthless shows a lack of respect and knowledge of the sea and is the type of misinformation that gets people killed, sometimes by the thousands.
Whether a ship survives in a storm is not merely a factor of ship size and storm strength but also a matter of how the sea, the land and the ship are interacting with each other. A U.S. Navy carrier riding out a Category 5 storm in the open ocean will probably do just fine. The same carrier riding out a Category 5 storm right off a lee shore is probably doomed.
By the same token, a hospital in New Orleans, in a Category 5 storm, below sea level and surrounded by levies that are predicted to fail in a Category 4 storm is at a totally different level of risk than is Mercy Hospital which, even though it is right on the west shore of Biscayne Bay, is protected from the direct impact of Atlantic swells by Key Biscayne.
The far extreme of risk would be any hospital in the middle Keys that would bear the full brunt of a 15 foot storm surge coming straight from the Atlantic with no barrier island to absorb the impact.
The Dade and Monroe County storm surge Red Zones are Miami Beach, Key Biscayne and the Florida Keys. A direct impact by a Category 5 in those areas has a very high danger of catastrophic damage. Due to the barrier island effect, the west shore of Biscayne Bay is at a much lower level of danger.
The bottom line is that, if a Category 5 hurricane is heading straight at you, staying at a Hospital in the middle Florida Keys is guaranteed suicide, staying in New Orleans is begging for death and staying at Aventura is the least risky of all as it is 1.4 miles inland from the Atlantic shore.
"Hospital workers in New Orleans have helped me come up with a new Democrat nation wide plan to keep costs down in elder care."
"Yes and no. Dependent on what other organ systems have been attacked you may die of respiratory failure or other organ failure. Cancer is an equal opportunity killer."
More than a few relatives died that way. Morphine is a wonderful mercy when a few minutes of relief from writhing pain are a taste of heaven.
Memories. At least Ariel Sharon's way (without the extreme measures) arouses no dread.
how should they have moved them? where should they have moved them to?
i think some posters do not clearly envision the implications of the end of electricity, water, sewage, computerization, even elevators, in a major hospital. This aside from the looter-heaven outside, health conditions (flood) outside, no communication or any real idea what was happening or even where they should go. Some posters imply the staff had practical choices other than allow an agonizing slow death or a fast painless death.
maybe someone who has worked on such a ward as the one here can describe what would be involved in sustaining such patients for any period of time ex-civilization?
If they could have been moved you can be assured they would have been moved.
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I read one article about a couple who owned a nursing home. Another facility offered to help move their patients before the storm hit and they turned them down.
The couple were up on murder charges.
Does any other FReeper remember this?
Thank you WoofDog for that understanding.
That brown stuff ain't chocolate.
how should they have moved them? where should they have moved them to?
-----Nowhere. Your right. I am wrong. They are dead now. Everything is great. Have yourself a wonderful day.
"-----Nowhere. Your right. I am wrong. They are dead now. Everything is great. Have yourself a wonderful day."
was actually hoping for a real answer from someone. given the situation in new orleans i am not sure what options they had, particularly those dependent on machinery that no longer worked.
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