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To: brainstem223

They didn't win the war, hence they didn't get into nationhood.

Big difference.


148 posted on 02/21/2006 9:43:41 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Brokeback Mountain: The ONLY western where the Cowboys GET IT IN THE END!!!)
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To: MikeinIraq

You got the sequence exactly backwards. They got nationhood first and lost it later by the defeat in war.

And thats the truth.


156 posted on 02/21/2006 9:55:29 AM PST by brainstem223
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To: MikeinIraq
They didn't win the war, hence they didn't get into nationhood. Big difference.

I would propose that the presence of a lawfully-organized Civil government implied the existence of a nation, yet it was a nation which did not receive full recognition by foreign nations, which would have elevated it to equal status in the Law of Nations.

Aside from that, though, your proposition is absolutely, 100% true, as the South was fighting a war for its independence, and lost. As a result, we remain mere vassals of the Federal power, subject to its sovereignty in no less manner than the serfs of old. I'd hardly hold that up as a shining example of American governance, but I'll gladly admit the reality of the situation.

Regards,
~dt~

163 posted on 02/21/2006 10:21:11 AM PST by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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