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To: silentreignofheroes

"You're right, There would have been a War Between the States,Since 60% of the exports came from the South,thus taxes,most of the agriculture,and DC was screwing the South out of the Revenue,there would have still been War.Taxation Without Representation comes to mind."

I doubt it.
Without slavery, the South would have gotten as many immigrants as the North did (historically, immigrants went almost entirely into the North, because unskilled labor couldn't compete with FREE labor in the South), and there would have been the same economic forces driving Southern industrialization as the North. Free labor made Southern agricultural concerns extremely profitable...for their owners...but it held back the economic development of the whole region, forcing the South to import all of its manufactured goods. Without slavery, the factories would have been built in the South, as in the North, and immigration patterns would have been more even. Indeed, there probably would have been a lot more immigration into the temperate upper South than into the frigid upper Midwest.

But slavery polluted the pool. The immigrants went north, and the northern capital went into factories...which then wanted tarriffs to protect them. Southerners COULDN'T make anything, because skilled labor didn't go there, and capital there was all invested in slave agriculture.

Slavery set the South back by a century. The Civil War set it back by another century.

Without slavery, the South would have done in the 19th Century and early 20th Century, especially, what it is doing today: matching the North in industry and factory production. Slavery held the South back, and made the South dependent on importing manufactured goods. Without slavery, Southerners would have been making these goods too, and there wouldn't have been a tarriff issue.

The tarriff issue was caused by the warping of the economy by slavery. Slavery was utterly pernicious, it was America's birth defect. Thank England for it.


113 posted on 02/21/2006 9:05:27 AM PST by Vicomte13 (La Reine est gracieuse, mais elle n'est pas gratuit.)
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To: Vicomte13
Without slavery, the South would have gotten as many immigrants as the North did (historically, immigrants went almost entirely into the North, because unskilled labor couldn't compete with FREE labor in the South), and there would have been the same economic forces driving Southern industrialization as the North. Free labor made Southern agricultural concerns extremely profitable...for their owners...but it held back the economic development of the whole region, forcing the South to import all of its manufactured goods. Without slavery, the factories would have been built in the South, as in the North, and immigration patterns would have been more even. Indeed, there probably would have been a lot more immigration into the temperate upper South than into the frigid upper Midwest.

While I think you're fairly accurate on your portrayal of the economic implications of slavery versus immigration, I still think you'd see factories in roughly the same places they were built historically—Recall that there was no such thing as "air conditioning," and that summertime diseases such as cholera were fairly prevalent in the South, and it seems clear to me that manufacturing would still need a more moderate climate than the South offered.

Of course, the invention of the air conditioner changed everything... :)

132 posted on 02/21/2006 9:21:11 AM PST by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: Vicomte13

Slavery set the South back by a century. The Civil War set it back by another century.

You're saying the South is 200 years behind the North.?
Pure Opinion.Though most I know can survive without a Grocery Store if need be.Fact is all the slaves that were brought to this country were on ships flying the American Flag or foreign flags not Southern Flags.Slavery was on its way out,and one more thing if you were to read interviews that were done with slaves by reporters at the turn of the century (archieved) you could get an insight as to what they thought.Interesting reads.


169 posted on 02/21/2006 10:36:42 AM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken there will be no Tommorrow!)
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