Posted on 02/20/2006 3:21:04 PM PST by calcowgirl
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
I agree, and the two liberals running against Arnold is totally unacceptable.
Good post. Ignore the 'shoot the messenger' types around here.
Their actions don't reflect principle, they reflect pride -- the thing that goeth before a fall, remember?
Here's my fantasy: Schwarzenegger and McClintock win and then Arnold screws the Democrats by either resigning or going on permanent vacation out-of-state. McClintock becomes governor and, using the line-item veto, institutes a program of fiscal discipline the likes of which California hasn't seen in years. It won't happen, but it's fun to contemplate.
You two are correct, ignore the wailings of the so-called "Conservatives".
done!
Thank you!
I'm all for that.
Arnold can lose without McClintock but he can't win without him. Whatever you think of their personal relationship, if the Governor can't bring conservatives back by November, none of this matters.
Ahhh... but Arnold can win without him if he ran on his real agenda. The democrats got him elected in the recall election, and they can do it again. Right now, the democrats don't seem to like Westly and Angelides much. Arnold has an environmental platform that is comparable to the left, has proposed even more spending than the left, and is helping advance Agenda21 with the Sierra Nevada Conservancy, tollroads, etc. He has signed almost every piece of GLBT legislation presented, except the single gay marriage bill. November is still a long ways off--time will tell.
I like your fantasy. It's always fun to dream! :-)
What is telling is absense of "anger" toward those taking real actions to advance liberalism--more spending; more borrowing; more gun bans; more pro-homosexual legislation; 25 million acre land grabs; more environmental regulation; minimum wage hikes; government subsidies for stem-cell research, solar roofs, hydrogen highways; government babysitting; more leftist judges; a Sacramento executive suite packed with lifelong democrat activists.
The "principles" that you mock happen to be those outlined in the platform of the Republican party. I would certainly be tolerant, and supportive, of a Governor who supported just 75% of that platform. Unfortunately, the record shows that we are getting much, much, less.
Again, McClintock and I understand that this state did not become the Liberal nightmare it is overnight, and it won't heal overnight -- it will take time and compromise. McClintock, not Arnold, is the true action hero.
Thanks!
As predicted, some try to blame a flawed election and campaign on conservatives.
http://www.flashreport.org/special-reports0b.php?faID=2005110202424596
If they lose all four, we should have a contest on how they'll explain their polling. Maybe it will be the old standby -- opinion shifted at the end, the last few days, and momentum was suddenly against them. More likely, they'll blame Republican voters for not coming out, as if this would be some total surprise. But major donors like to believe these arcane polling explanations, because it's easier to do so than admit they've been had. I mean, when is the last time a rich guy at the Lincoln Club admitted he was gullible and taken in by a poll that cooked the numbers?
http://www.flashreport.org/special-reports0b.php?faID=2005110202424596
One wonders why they did not have thorough opinion research to adequately measure the futility of a campaign. Either there was no research, or they asked the wrong questions, or they ignored the data. Perhaps they were just so determined to have a special election. That’s what I think.
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The pollster keeps reporting that the consultant’s ads are working, so they buy more ads. It’s like the old brokerage churning – when brokers bought and sold a bunch of stocks. The commissions were high, and they did well even if you didn’t. So, it seems are that a survey concludes the campaign is not working. Better, when it’s over and the client loses, to blame it on voter turnout.
I can't imagine how they could have proceeded at all with a special election, or with this type of campaign, if they had serious quantitative and qualitative research. But, then again, I can imagine how they could have done the things they did last year. But maybe it's not the polling. I mean, why take this smart, wonderful communicator - -a macho guy, and make him into a milktoast, going to staged, contrived events in which he says next to nothing, and where each TV news report ridicules him and the event, and the "pres-elected" audience. I guess no one had the balls to sit him down, have him study the issues, and have him confront the electorate, Reagan-style, and show what he's made of.
The only poll that's important is the one at the ballot box. You can throw polls around, analyze motives ad nauseum, and talk cynically about how people got "took" all you want. It doesn't change the fact that a lot of conservatives didn't bother to vote because of disillusionment with a governor who wasn't exactly an unknown quantity! So the chance we had to put that hairline crack in a Liberal stranglehold was wasted. You bet I blame a flawed election and campaign partly on conservatives, and an "expert" who says the LA Times isn't biased in its polling isn't going to change that view.
Which is not fact at all, as there are absolutely ZERO statistics published by the Secretary of State showing voter participation by Party, let alone by 'Conservative.'
You bet I blame a flawed election and campaign partly on conservatives...
You blame the flawed election and campaign on conservatives? What conservatives? The campaign wasn't run by conservatives. Some will go to any lengths to blame everything on conservatives--Amazing!
...an "expert" who says the LA Times isn't biased in its polling isn't going to change that view.
The LA Times poll he was citing was a whole lot more accurate than the SurveyUSA garbage that folks were trying to push on this forum. Remember these threads? Some here still want to drink this kool-aid.
2005 California Special Election (Arnold Winning On Initiatives! A Blueprint For The GOP In 06 & 08?With the reference to the "expert" (you put in quotes), Arnold Steinberg, I assume you're trying to paint him as some sort of hack? And what will you call the Weekly Standard? A leftist rag?
RealClear Politics ^ | October 15-17, 2005 | Staff
Posted on 10/21/2005 8:21:40 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalistDon't believe the lies: Schwarzenegger's Propositions all winning
SurveyUSA ^ | 10/17/05 | Dangus
Posted on 10/17/2005 4:27:22 PM PDT by dangus
Arnold Steinberg, probably California's smartest political strategist, predicted the disaster, arguing the mistake was in the bundling of all those propositions in a special election (see, in these pages, Steinberg's "Losing Propositions," Nov. 21). Any of them individually, provided it was included on a regularly scheduled ballot, might well have passed. Together, they allowed the opposition to pool their considerable resources.
Proposition 74: Delays probationary period for new teachers from 2 years to five years, making it easier to terminate teachers with unsatisfactory performance evaluations.
Proposition 75: Prohibits unions from spending money on political campaigns without the consent of their members.
Proposition 76: Constrains spending growth to revenue growth.
Proposition 77: Removes authority for designing congressional boundaries from state legislators. Instead, voters must approve plans drawn up by a panel of retired judges.
Which of these initiatives did you not support? And which ones do you think would have been proposed by Cruz Bustamonte if he were governor instead of Arnold?
Conservatives who didn't show up to vote for these measures screwed the pooch. They lost a chance that RINO Arnold presented to start to set things right. All the red herrings about polls and excuses about timing don't change that. I remember at the time letters from the editor and posts on Free Republic from so-called "principled" conservatives who basically took the line that, "Arnold is a RINO, so what's the use. I'm staying home." The measures lost, some by close measures, if I remember correctly. What a way to help California. Some will go to great lengths to blame everything on RINOs. Amazing!
Did you even read my posts? This excuse of "conservatives didn't show up" is pure myth as there are ZERO facts to support your contention. Red herrings? I made no comments about polls or excuses.
I remember at the time letters from the editor and posts on Free Republic from so-called "principled" conservatives who basically took the line that, "Arnold is a RINO, so what's the use. I'm staying home."
Prove it. Show me links of more than one poster that ever said that.
The measures lost, some by close measures, if I remember correctly. What a way to help California.
Yes. The most conservative measures (Prop 73 and 75) lost by the smallest amounts, indicating that conservatives did show up. That is a fact that works to dispute your myth.
Proposition Yes Vote Yes % No Vote No % ----------------------- --------- ----- --------- ---- 73 Minor's Pregnancy 3,676,592 47.2 4,109,430 52.8 74 Teacher Tenure 3,516,071 44.8 4,329,025 55.2 75 Public Union Dues 3,644,006 46.5 4,190,412 53.5 76 Spending/Funding 2,948,243 37.6 4,877,735 62.4 77 Redistricting 3,130,541 40.2 4,641,633 59.8 78 Rx Drug Discounts 3,199,193 41.5 4,508,873 58.5 79 Rx Drug Rebates 3,003,912 39.3 4,625,132 60.7 80 Electric Regulation 2,580,536 34.4 4,920,679 65.6
Some will go to great lengths to blame everything on RINOs. Amazing!
Excuse me? I am not the one posting hatefilled vitriol on this thread, nor did I call anyone a "RINO". I do question the true motives of those who endorse and support a big spending, big borrowing, gun grabbing, land grabbing, pro-homosexual, taxpayer subsidizing global warming fanatic.
Yawn, I was just watching curling,
I see you have a new kick toy. ;-)
Carry on. :)
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