Posted on 02/20/2006 8:24:23 AM PST by avg_freeper
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ORLANDO, Fla., Feb. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lockheed Martin's Central Florida businesses will support local activities to promote math and science education for students during National Engineers Week, February 19-25. Through fun hands-on activities, students will learn about engineering and engineering careers.General Dynamics Hosts Student Events for National Engineers Weekexcerpt...
ARLINGTON, Va., Feb. 20 /PRNewswire/ -- General Dynamics Advanced Information Systems, a business unit of General Dynamics (NYSE: GD - News), is sponsoring events nationwide during National Engineers Week beginning Feb. 20, 2006.excerpt...
You got that right. I discovered the TOP SECRET job fair in Denver two weeks ago. We got about 100 excellent resumes and most of them had clearances and experience in the defense industry. I am going to the same event in Los Angeles in two weeks and taking six hiring managers. Of course, the competition for these folks is fierce.
well they ought to take this thread into account when pursuing a major.
I would take an EE with a CS minor and a clearance if he had hardware design experience and put him to work for a lifetime. Hardware design and integration is a tough skill to find.
Sounds like you might need a new job.
And you are restrained by the price your govt agency is able to pay not what a Lockheed/Boeing could pay.
let's hope we don't bump into each other someday - while both wearing orange tool belts.
this is another thing I keep trying to explain to young FR engineer wannabees - if you want to stay technical and not move into management, you had better plan on a mid life career change. engineers in their 50s are looked at like curbside garbage in US industry, and when the downsize/offshoring comes, you are out.
Perhaps if you aren't willing to relocate.
Starting I am competitive with Lockheed/boeing. But once they have about 5 to 10 years it is tougher. I still am able to occasionally recruit people away who want a change of mission, but the movement the other direction is definitely greater.
LOL!
you folks down in the greenville area are busy aren't ya:) Good stuff! lol
Yeah, sadly.
Did you see where Boeing is farming out the design of the subsystems of the new 787 to a Russian design bureau?
It gives pause to us engineers who used to design some pretty good airplanes for Boeing.
LOL. It just keeps getting worse.
Horsehockey. Let me guess, you're recruiting kids straight out of school with BS degrees at less than $40k per year. Yes, there's a shortage of those. Because there's a huge surplus of Engineers with advanced degrees over the age of 40. Every single Enigneer I know of who fits in the latter category is either long term unemployed or underemployed ("want whipped cream on your latte?"), and the kids going into school these days see that. Why work so hard when the industry will discard you when you're a few years older and have wisdom and experience that's "too expensive"?
Case in point. I have a Ph.D. in EE, from a Tier One school, a successful track record in research and development, a half dozen patents, and I'm in my early 40s, white male US citizen. I live in Silicon Valley. I have been told more than two dozen times in the past three years that I'm "overqualified" for any Engineering job by recruiters like yourself (nobody wants excellence because nobody wants to pay for excellence). Research in the US is dead, killed by Clinton Administration budget priorities that have yet to be corrected. Academia isn't an option because of declining enrollments. Doing a tech startup (tried that, 0-3)is no longer an option since the vast majority of Venture Capital is going to India and China (seed capital and "A" rounds are about 20% of what they were in 1994, pre-dotcom). So, I'm eeking out a living as a managment consultant.
A few months back I worked with my undergraduate Engineering school, recruiting at local Bay Area Catholic high schools. At one school, the nuns literally told us to leave because "it is immoral to recruit into a dead profession". Fair enough, I now wish I'd spent seven years becoming an attorney instead of 12 years becoming "overqualified".
Did that a long time ago. I work. I get paid. I go away. It's the only way to do it.
good post.
alot of people just don't want to face the cold reality. but the key barometer I see is where my engineer colleagues are sending their own kids for college - and its not for engineering. law, finance, business, education, health care, travel/leisure/entertainment, etc.
I would send my own child to engineering school, but only coupled with an MBA so they could get into management.
I guess that depends on what you consider good pay for excellence. I hire engineers like you all the time and I don't think the word "over-qualified" has ever crossed my lips. I start kids right out of school, with BS degrees at 56 to 58K. Someone with a PHD in EE, patents, and about 10 years experience in research and development would start at about 110K. Obviously, you can make more than that in the private sector, but at least with the government you wouldn't find yourself putting whipped cream on latte.
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I don't read chinese, or whatever that is. But, it doesn't look good.
Hmmm! Lets see! Do I want to leave NY State, one of the highest taxed, over regulated, welfare mentality, unionized, dumbocrap infested states in the country. Where do I sign up!
I firmly believe that being past 50, even with a clear record of success as indicated by steady advancement, is the big albatross around my neck.
The last 3 interviews were funny. I can dumb down the resume but I find it hard to dumb down in the interview. There are still way too many people in the workforce who do not want their subordinates to know more than they do.
When I was in management, I welcomed the brightest I could find as it was not only the smart thing to do but I made my job so much easier. The smarter the better as long as they were dedicated workers they could be 30 IQ points higher than me and that would be fine.
No, I'm looking for folks like yourself who have clearances. I don't pretend to know what your specific circumstances where before the dotcom boom/bust but I can tell you this, part of my sourcing efforts involve surfing the US patents website for folks just like you. While my company does recruit kids straight out of school, that is not my area of expertise. I can tell you this, in order to be competitive, no one is starting at my company straight out of school with an engineering degree at less than 40k, no way, no how.
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