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To: wvobiwan; USF
The difference is that Islam has been corrupted to higher degree than any other...

If you honestly believe that islam has been corrupted by the Wahhabists and Salafi's and by Sayyid Qutb, then you and I must agree to disagree. Also, many devout muslims would disagree with your statement.

302 posted on 02/20/2006 9:36:30 AM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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To: Dark Skies; wvobiwan
wvobiwan: The difference is that Islam has been corrupted to higher degree than any other...

How so? One needs only to look back at the examples of mohammed himself, the "al insan al kamil" (the "perfect man") whom muslims are to emulate.

His murderous raids against his own Quresh tribe, slavery, genocide, pedophilia (Aisha), rape, forced marriages (Safiyah, Juwairiyah) and consent to murder (Abu Afak), are recorded in islamic texts for all to read.

Not only was mohammed venerated for his actions, so were his immediate followers and his "companions" who served him in his own lifetime. The Salafi movement was all about a return to pure islam as preached and practiced by mohammed himself, and rejecting later innovations ("bidah") as impure.

Its important to understand not only what is written in the koran and hadeeth, but to read the examples of his companions and successor and the is a concepts in islam of "fiqh" and "Maruf" which is roughly translated as "consensus of the the ummah (islamic community)." This is the reason why islamic scholars and muftis do not only quote justification for islamic jurisprudence from the sura and sunnahs, but also quote many examples of historical deeds of the "companions of the prophet," including the great caliphs and their generals so the lay muslim can understand what is "good' and what is "bad." Sometimes I have the feeling that a cluless apologist is going to tell me dawah and promoting sharia law has nothing to do with islam and is not one of its cornerstones.

Muslims to this day pass down tales thru the generations about mohammeds great generals, Khalid ibn al Walid and Amr ibn al As who waged offensive wars for islamic expansion under mohammed and his immediate successors.

We also can not ignore the concept of "Maruf" (consensus) or the many islamic leaders who followed in mohammeds footsteps, such as Saladin, and the islamic general Tarik who drove his armies so far into Christian Spain in the early part of the 8th Century that by the year 715 islamic hoardes had captured vast tracks of its land and began to press into France until stopped at Tours by Charles Martel. All this predates the Crusades (which were called to halt such islamic aggression) by centuries.

Dark skies: If you honestly believe that islam has been corrupted... you and I must agree to disagree. Also, many devout muslims would disagree with your statement.

Agree DS.
382 posted on 02/20/2006 10:31:00 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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