Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.
Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.
So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?
It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.
We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.
Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.
Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."
Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.
With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.
But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.
But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?
There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.
After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.
But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.
In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.
Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.
The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.
Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).
This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.
This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.
The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.
Unfortunately, it is just that simple.
I must tell you, I admire John Howard. He seems to be working hard and smart to get an early, effective handle on the problem of radical Islam in your country.
Explain how Western Civilization can make ammends with Sharia.
It can't. As repugnant as it is I'm leaning towards the Carthage solution.
In case you hadn't noticed, you are one of the few people on this thread who has brought up possible solutions. I fully intend to pump you for as many more as I can. If pissing you off sharpens your wit, I'll do it...
Ice cream.
Bubble baths.
Reading trash.
Chocolate.
Writing trash.
Reisling wine.
erm, this is a family site, so I can't go into the others.
It's a good thing you broke free and got therapy. I do not see that it is relevant to the issue at hand unless as an object lesson as to why you do NOT want Sharia law to make inroads into our culture and Constitution.
As I've said before, even if their fantasy of converting or killing 5 billion people, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics etc, they will turn on their "own" and start slaughtering those Muslims they deem as apostates, or guilty of bidah, or diverting from the insane "perfect example" of MuhamMAD.
The lessons of the ikhwan koranimals massacring Shites and destroying their holy sites by claiming they were mushrikun seems to be lost on many Muslims and their apologists.
Prophecies like that of the 72 false sects, and mohamMADs own examples, will make sure islam will have nothing to offer but eternal bloodshed and violence.
ISLAM IS A MUSLIMS OWN WORSE ENEMY.
They are slaves to the cult.
It wasn't breaking free. I simply grew up and most of them died off. Simple as that.
I hate Sharia law. So do most of the folks I know. Did you even read the silly forum and comments post of mine?
That is the type of daily conversation I have with muslims. Bin ladin is insane, fundies are pains in the butt, the oldies need to just crawl back into their caves. Those are the people I know.
I haven't known much kindness in my life. But I will tell you this..... if you are kind to me, I will be loyal to you until death. And that is why I will defend those who've treated me well, always.
They are slaves to the cult
Right you are...islam must die!!!
I would be the last to call of Christianity Saintly, but judging by what I am witnessing, I find it dificult to find anything but evil in Islam.
Sure there are good people among them, but the Cult itself is rotten to it's core.
We either stop it or become enguled by it.
(OTOH, I'll be dipped if I can think of anything the islamic world produces that I would miss)...
I have the perfect vehicle for a script: THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link on my Page. Published in 1913, it contains source notes from the original arabic sources.
But we know that already we are so compromised that no one would dare to produce this film, don't we? How many acts of terror might that unleash, not just in the US, but worldwide?
The truth about mohammad must and should be told, but we have given that right away thanks to the appeasers. They are the cowards, they know what they fear. Appeasers truly are as Churchill described them. They feed the crocodile, hoping the crocodile will eat them last.
IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE LONGER - BUT EAT THEM IT WILL!
Call them Ostrich Americans.
Because for some regaining power is so important that they would rather rule a land of tears and ashes than live in a land of milk and honey.
It's a form of insanity. I wish I knew the cure, or even a treatment.
There's alway FRepmail...
OK,
Witnessing versus experiencing.
If I'm around Muslims, engulfed in the art, history, culture, customs and I see and experience only good, I have a hard time with the 'rotten to the core' aspect.
Yes, there is a great deal of wrong with it...but I'm also seeing a lot of forward thinking folks who are telling the geezers to get a life. I've read the poetry of the Algerian exiles who want a free society and government. I've met cute kids who want fast cars, cool clothes and to flirt. Nothing more.
So there are people who are rotten to the core. But it would be a sin for me not to defend those who I know are good and without malice.
False flattery will get you nowhere.
AFAIC, we DO have irreconcilable differences, that will only be solved when either we are standing, or they are.
Peace only comes when one side is thoroughly and completely defeated.
Even surrender isn't an option.
We will never be islamic enough...
The swine at CAIR openly state their goals and have ties to terror, and mosques are breeding grounds for the the worst of islams evils.
I think Qutb, Azzam and Taymiyya should be required reading too!
Yup. I would feel better if it didn't require eliminating all 1.3 billion of them. But if it does, I can live with that.
BTW, most of the comments on this thread remind me of a neighborhood of barking dogs. One dog is barking at the burglar, the rest of the dogs are barking at him or each other.
You barked at the burglar.
Yes, I called you a dog!
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