Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
But you see it took the belief of the Son of God for the New Testament to take hold. All it would take is the belief of a Son of Allah. Remember, before the New Testament, God said put no other gods before me. It took a few deciples to convince people that Jesus was the Son of God. Many Christans were put to death over it but it finaly took hold.
Atheists have been hell bent on destroying this nation for over sixty years. I suppose one shouldn't be suprised that they would welcome Muslim extremists as brothers in arms.
Point conceded.
However, I can't help but notice that Western Civilization is a much friendlier environment for innovation than a "culture" in which everything is "allah's will" and changing an old bad way would be viewed as an act of apostasy.
Hrmpt,
Smartazz. :)
"And yet we don't read about you exterminating muslims in your spare time."
Indeed. It's pretty much one of those "Let's you and him fight" things, isn't it.
In the meantime, our troops are over there in Iraq and Afghanistan, fighting the terrorists and helping the Iraqis and Afghanis establish a rational government...more like the one Turkey has had for many decades.
So, the troops are killing those that need killing, and helping those that need helping. That's action. The rest is rhetoric.
It appears that 10% is about the tipping point for violence. At 10%, there are usually areas where it's 50% muslim, and those areas become unsafe for others. This is what's happening in both Europe and Australia. They are a fast growing minority. The point being made is that we cannot let them become a sizable minority, or we will have demands for us to assimilate to them. Like giving up our free speech rights to avoid their wrath.
Change Islam to Judaism in your statement and what famous leader no longer with us pops into mind? It's almost word for word.
This country made membership (you were likely to have an FBI tail for just belonging) in the mafia a crime because of their criminal actions. Why should islam be any different?
see post 455, times up.
Well said, complete agreement.
If there was going to be emotion driven hate it would already have happened. People were more upset by 9/11 then anything else I have seen in my lifetime. The restraint by the Americans has been phenomenal don't you think?
The only thing we did in response was go after a very bad man to free Iraqis. But....if our freedoms are taken away there will be new laws made to protect us from Islam and people of the Muslim faith may come under more scrutiny before they can come to our shores.
Wrong. Being a member of a crime family has never been a criminal offense. Criminal actions that members of crime families are criminal offenses. No one has EVER been tried for being a member of the mafia, EVER.
La Cosa Nostra is not a religion. Islam is, albeit a sick one. The First Amendment doesn't distinguish between religions we like and ones with which we disagree.
And exactly when did the Branch Davidians call for the forcible overthrow of the government? This is a red-herring argument.
If the laws had been enforced as intended, Waco would never have made national news.
three are law in the united states. Three.
I wasn't aware that
there are three left.
Take me back to the days of Thou Shalt Not Covet thy Neighbors Wife.At least it still exists where we live.If I didn't follow that one I would be opening a ,,,let's just say I might as well expect retribution.
We got laws like,,do not cross yellow line.
"So let me get this straight: There is a muslim school that I pass on my way to work all the time. It's the Brighter Horizons academy in Garland, Texas if you want to look it up. I see children playing out in the playground there all the time as I drive past it. Are you seriously advocating that we murder these children? If so, then you're no part of a human being."
James, they are badguys BECAUSE of "their religion".
Their "religion" is _more_ than mere religion, as we of The West regard religion to be. It is an all-encompassing theocracy which seeks to control not only one's religious beliefs, but worldly behavior. And it tolerates NO non-believers or dissenters.
One of the most famous dictums of The Bible is the refrain that we must "render unto Caesar what is Caesars, and unto God that which is God's". This makes a clear distinction between our material world of existence, and the afterworld promised to come.
Islam MAKES NO SUCH DISTINCTION. To Islam, the world of "Caeser" (read: "Mohammed", the worldly prophet) and "God" are inseparable, one and the same. To live under Islam is to live under Mohammmed. It's his way or "the highway". But - there is no highway in Islam. What do they do with dissenters and openly displayed symbols of Christianity in Saudi Arabia?
So long as Islam exists, there are going to be more and more of your "badguys". And hundreds of millions who either openly support them or, silently, accede.
- John
This is getting tiresome - please Google 'Shinto' to read a little bit about US precedent dealing with a religion masquerading as a government engaged in war against the US.
Hint: the issue isn't about religious belief - it's about the primacy of the Constitution. Guess which one comes out on top?
"The only way Islam can continue is for a new Islamist Prophet to come on the scene and denounce this violence."
That, unfortunately, is impossible. According to the Koran, Mohammed was the last prophet. There will be no more.
The second reason as to why it isn't possible is the nature of Islam itself; Islam is the only major 'religion' in which self-improvement is NOT an either implicitly stated objective for the believer, nor is it even implied.
I'll give ya an explanation of what I mean; In Judeo-Christianity there is a belief in a Savior who will either a) come and usher in an age of peace or b) will return to do the same. Inherent in that belief is an idea that it is the duty of the individual believer to not only prepare (spiritually)for that day, but to make an effort to make the world a better place (in terms of civilized, humane society) than it currently is. It is one of the driving forces behind innovation; the thought that something might exist beyond the present.
Therefore, Judaism and Christianity are inherently FORWARD-LOOKING religions. The believer has something to dream about beyond his daily drudgery, and a responsibility to that futre world.
Islam, on the other hand, has nothing of the sort. To a Muslim, the greatest event in the history of mankind HAS ALREADY OCCURRED (Mohammed ascended into heaven). There IS no future. There is only the fulfilment of 'prophecy' (i.e the Koran and it's plan for world domination), as the "Prophet" commanded.
It is one of the reasons why the Middle East has been (psychologically) mired in the 7th century. There literally is no tomorrow for them, and with that thought goes all impetus for scientific inquiry, philosophical arguments, progressive forms of government, etc. Anything of that nature tends to direct one away from the fulfilment of the Prophet's prophecy. Hence, Khomeini's pronouncement of America as the Great Satan.
Satan does not have the same connotation in Islam as it does in Judeo-Christianity. Satan is not the embodiment of evil ,rather, he is the huckster and trickster that deceives and lures the true believer from the proper path.
When fundamentalists rail against western society, what they really hate is the outward, material signs of it that tend to deal with distraction and seduction or that which can give the impression that there is a viable (and perhaps more rewarding) system (either of government, ethics or life) than Islam. It is why the first targets of Islamic nutjobs happen to be the cinema, televsion and radio (especially MTV variants), print, and other means of communication with the OUTSIDE world. The Fundamentalists are more than happy to welcome such western "weapons of mass deception" when they prove useful to controlling their own masses in an Islamically-approved way(case in point, Al Jazeera).
Until the typical "Muslim in the Street" can be educated in the westrn tradition (i.e. based upon Judeo-Christian notions of the future and personal responsibility to community) and the means exist by which that typical Muslim can translate and communicate this cultural change, there will be no reformation of Islam. The means and methods by which these would be achieved, are both anethema to anything "Islamic", and are tainted for having been created by "infidels".
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