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Making Islam illegal -- is it the West's only choice?
Renew America ^ | 2/19/2006 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies

When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.

Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.

So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?

It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.

We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.

Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.

Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."

Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.

With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.

But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.

But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?

There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.

After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.

But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.

In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.

Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.

The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.

Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).

This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.

This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.

The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.

Unfortunately, it is just that simple.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; muslim; sharia; wot; yes
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To: Wombat101
The War on Terror is not, and should never have been, presented as an ideological war in which religion plays no part. It is a battle for the very life and soul of Western Civilization. The "other side" is armed with an ideology-cum-religion, which is inimical in every way to the established pillars of western society, and which is their only effective weapon. They must be disarmed. The "other side" has already made it quite clear that they will respect no civilized rules of conduct, nor spare any target. Why should we?

Very well put!

361 posted on 02/20/2006 10:12:20 AM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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To: MineralMan
Thank you for showing that photograph.

I guess we don't have anything to worry about after all. Muslims in Dubai are just like Christians in America. You can tell this is true because city buildings and streets in both places look similar.

BTW, it is permissible to openly practice Christianity in Dubai, right? Or atheism for that matter?

Why don't you emigrate to Dubai and send us back progress reports so we can judge for ourselves?

362 posted on 02/20/2006 10:12:53 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: silentreignofheroes

"What does Feh mean?"

Feh! is a Yiddish expression of disgust. It is an accurate representation of my opinion of the Klan.


363 posted on 02/20/2006 10:13:34 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: silentreignofheroes

Actually, it's our oil/gas/electricity money.


364 posted on 02/20/2006 10:14:06 AM PST by farlander
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To: Dark Skies
Many Christians (not all) look forward to that day when Jesus Christ physically returns to earth and establishes His kingdom...nothing about killing those who disagree.

Can anyone tell me what the "endgame" of the moderate Muslim is? What is the goal of their religion?

365 posted on 02/20/2006 10:14:14 AM PST by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: aliquis
"We look particularly weak on the ideological side of the conflict - we are still in denial."

WE do? Geez..look at France..supposedly the one's with all the brains. Their "Klan" is growing day by day and getting out of control.

366 posted on 02/20/2006 10:15:24 AM PST by Earthdweller ("West to Islam" Cake. Butter your liberals, slowly cook France, stir in Europe then watch it rise.)
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To: JCEccles

"BTW, it is permissible to openly practice Christianity in Dubai, right? Or atheism for that matter? "

I doubt if it is permissible to openly practice Christianity there. Atheism has no practices, so it's not really a question.

I have no desire to go to Dubai. I lived in Turkey, courtesy of the USAF for 15 months, and don't want to go back there, either.

The point was that the Islamic world is not all a bunch of stone-age idiots. Indeed, we do a LOT of business in this country with the Islamic world. A LOT!


367 posted on 02/20/2006 10:16:54 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: JCEccles; MineralMan

Yea, and that's a moderate country. They got a slap on the wrist. In Saudi they'd have been executed (beheading).


368 posted on 02/20/2006 10:17:00 AM PST by farlander
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To: MineralMan

Feh! is a Yiddish expression of disgust.

EEE-UUU ,Southren,means the same thing.
Everybody has opinions,cuz.


369 posted on 02/20/2006 10:18:10 AM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: MineralMan

Stone age, in which sense ? They may be able to use (if not invent themselves) the modern technology, but the ideologies to which they subscribe are stone-age.


370 posted on 02/20/2006 10:18:18 AM PST by farlander
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To: silentreignofheroes

Molly Hatchett fan are you?


371 posted on 02/20/2006 10:21:29 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

What needs to be outlawed is not Islam, but every practice associated with Islam that undermines western law and culture. And there is no moral equivalence between western traditions of law and culture and Islamic traditions of law and culture. The former tends toward freedom of thought and self-actualization, the latter toward crippling of thought and the hamstringing of the individual in the name of Allah.


372 posted on 02/20/2006 10:22:10 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: ClearBlueSky
It's the term 'religion' that Islam is erroneously protected by in the Constitution. IT may call itself that-but we do not have to agree

Google 'Shinto'. The question is not whether or not Islam is a religion (it is, even if it is a death cult) - the question is whether or not its practitioners are afforded 1st Amendment protections. The litmus test is fealty to the Constitution. Others have mentioned sedition - we also have treason if linked to war making powers of foreign governments based on a hostile religion.

The US has already been through this with Japan. As the heat gets turned up against the muzzies, we can be certain that the SC will be going back to the 40s as guidance.

373 posted on 02/20/2006 10:22:11 AM PST by lemura
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To: Wombat101

Darn. Story of my life. Any sisters?


374 posted on 02/20/2006 10:22:20 AM PST by null and void (That 12 jurors can overturn the leviathan of "The Law" strikes fear into statists across this nation)
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To: MineralMan

I like her,,Just would not turn my back on her.A well rounded woman.


375 posted on 02/20/2006 10:23:11 AM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: boris
What do you do about crazed paranoid nutcases bent on converting you, ruling you, or killing you?

At some point; Muslims will outnumber Christians and Jews in this country. Does anyone REALLY believe the Muslims will allow those minority Christians and Jews (our children and grandchildren) to practice their religious beliefs under the 1st Amendment to the Constitution?

376 posted on 02/20/2006 10:23:59 AM PST by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: lemura

Well then. We have legal precedent.


377 posted on 02/20/2006 10:25:28 AM PST by farlander
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To: USF
I'm going to bookmark this thread and wait for the dust to settle a little,

This may take some time...

378 posted on 02/20/2006 10:25:33 AM PST by null and void (That 12 jurors can overturn the leviathan of "The Law" strikes fear into statists across this nation)
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To: Dark Skies
There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action

What about Branch Dravidian? I begin to wonder if the Muslims are stockpoiling weapons in their Mosques.

379 posted on 02/20/2006 10:28:00 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: null and void

One. Married, Four boys. Sorry.

No cousins available, either.

If you're 60 or so, my mom could use a gentleman caller.

LOL!


380 posted on 02/20/2006 10:28:35 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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