Churches urged to back evolution

British Broadcasting Corporation ^ | 20 February 2006 | Paul Rincon

[Elsie]

Quit turning things around and looking at them from different directions!

[nmh]

"And the last I heard, Billy Graham promoted ideas that weren't in keeping with the Bhagavad Gita... Scandalous, I know. But true!!!"

I don't know what the Bhagavad Gita is but as best I know he is true to what the Bible states, especially on giving God credit for His creation.

[stands2reason]

I think its because some people's faith is so shaky that they need science to prove God exists.

[WildHorseCrash]

Isaiah 40:22

[22] It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth...

The Earth, of course, is neither a circle nor a sphere. It is an irregular oblate spheroid. So even we mistranslate "circle" as "sphere," the passage is still factually wrong.

[Elsie]

Apparently you didn't read the rest of my post ...

Yes, I did.

(You just haven't heard MY prayers! ;^)

[Elsie]

The existence of the world doesn't prove God's presence.

No kids yet; eh?

[Junior]

The Hindu Vedas predate the first written accounts of the Bible by centuries; that should mean they're more bona fide than Scripture.

[Elsie]

It is an irregular oblate spheroid. So even we mistranslate "circle" as "sphere," the passage is still factually wrong.

Ahhh...

The Devil's in the details!

[nmh]

It depends on what translation or version you use. Plus there may not be a Greek word that precisely matches the word oblong. Clearly, the idea is there BEFORE most of mankind accepted it.

Surely you must admit that even the Bible NEVER claimed it was FLAT. Makes you wonder what they were reading when Galileo shocked them with the fact the earth was NOT flat.

[Elsie]

The Hindu Vedas predate the first written accounts of the Bible by centuries...

And you've been on FR a couple months longer than I....

HMMmmm....

[WildHorseCrash]

when I die I will go to Heaven and meet with my God. You may say I have a problem with evolution. Maybe. Your problem is considerably greater.

Unless God then asked you why you wasted the brain he gave you; ignoring the the wonder of evolution that he created and set out for you to discovery in favor of near idolatry of a book written by men. Then your problem is probably greater.

[Dominic Harr]

Yes, the definition of 'oath' is fine and all.

But we're asking about the word, "affirm".

Using that site you linked to, the definition is,

af·firm (ə-fûrm')
v., -firmed, -firm·ing, -firms.
v.tr.
1. To declare positively or firmly; maintain to be true.
2. To support or uphold the validity of; confirm.

v.intr. Law.
To declare solemnly and formally but not under oath.

In fact, this is the exact same definition as the other links.

Nowhere in there does it say anything about 'affirm' means to take an oath . . .

[The_Victor]

No kids yet; eh?

Three of them.

[RightWinger]

You won't understand this . . . but . . . you can't understand this.

[WildHorseCrash]

Because many in the scientific community are afraid of thinking outside the box; and many are deathly afraid that there is, indeed, an *Intelligent Designer.*

This line of argument never made any sense. If a person is an atheist, then that have no fear, let alone a deathly one, of God, because they believe his no more real than Cap't Crunch or Darth Vader. The atheist believes God is fictitious. Are you afraid of Mighty Mouse or Scarlett O'Hara? Why then would you believe the atheist has a deathly fear of God?

[Dominic Harr]

The Hindu Vedas predate the first written accounts of the Bible by centuries; that should mean they're more bona fide than Scripture.

Actually, have you seen the new evidence suggesting that the 'Rig Veda' flood story may actually refer to the flooding from the end of the last ice age, ~9000 years ago?

"Underworld" is a fascinating book . . .

[Junior]

Author, please. You can't dangle something like that out in front of me and not give me the details, or at least the background.

[nmh]

Here's another passage for ya:


In the Old Testament, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space—the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon.

Job 26:7

[7] He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

So true! No amount of nitpicking will change that either.

By 150 B.C., the Greek astronomer Eratosthenes had already measured the 25,000-mile circumference of the earth. The round shape of our planet was a conclusion easily drawn by watching ships disappear over the horizon and also by observing eclipse shadows, and we can assume that such information was well known to New Testament writers. Earth's spherical shape was, of course, also understood by Christopher Columbus.

[stands2reason]

Maybe the fella in question wanted an affirmation because he thought an anti-evolutionist might lie. Perish the thought! :-D

[Elsie]

But you still have doubts...