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'First' Suburbs Growing Older and Poorer, Report Warns
New York Times ^ | February 16, 2006 | Bruce Lambert

Posted on 02/20/2006 5:19:12 AM PST by Clemenza

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To: Clemenza

NYC is unique in that driving isn't really a viable option for most. I'm fond of Dallas and Chicago in that it's not so congested that you can't drive, and it's not bereft of mass transit so taking the train is always an option. I hate to drive too, but I love to ride. I couldn't live in NYC where getting on my Harley and driving on the open road wasn't an option.


121 posted on 02/20/2006 2:05:21 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Clemenza

What's a problem family?


122 posted on 02/20/2006 2:06:44 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Melas
A "family" that has problems with drugs, violence, and other antisocial behavior.

I've lived near poor people (in my poor student days), including illegal aliens (!), who were generally good neighbors. I've also lived among "problem families", and had to put up with the vandalism, crime and surly attitudes that they bring into a community.

123 posted on 02/20/2006 2:09:34 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: Clemenza
A "family" that has problems with drugs, violence, and other antisocial behavior.

Let me get this straight: If I start being more anti-social, smacking people around etc, the government will give me money to find a place to live? Suddenly all this restraint I've shown in recent years seems wasted.

124 posted on 02/20/2006 2:11:37 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Clemenza

The Low Down.


125 posted on 02/20/2006 2:16:53 PM PST by chris1
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To: angcat

I went to Iona Prep. The Hutchinson Parkway was like the Mason Dixon Line. The guys from Yonkers and Mt. Vernon like myself had nothing to do with the guys from Larchmont and Mamaroneck and Rye. It was like the Outsiders sort of.

The guidos vs. the preps.

My first car was a monte carlo with a blue top, racing wheels, tinted windows and a big antenna on the back.


126 posted on 02/20/2006 2:19:41 PM PST by chris1
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To: B-Chan; peyton randolph
Why do you think so many area cities (e.g. Denton, Corinth, Lewisville,
Flower Mound) are falling all over themselves to get into the DART system?


Not a challenge...but is it because the folks out in Denton, etc.
are trying to get a subsidized conduit for their cheap day-labor
(maids, gardners, etc)?

I can't help wondering that, having ridden a stuffed MTA (Los Angeles)
bus from Santa Monica to Malibu Courthouse twice.
The ride back to Santa Monica was on a bus loaded to the
max (and beyond) with day-labor for the "rich and famous" along
the Pacific Coast Highway.
127 posted on 02/20/2006 2:20:36 PM PST by VOA
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To: peyton randolph
In Dallas, illegal immigrants are destroying suburbs that 10 years ago were considered nice places to live.

And this is why the exurbs, Frisco, north plano, McKinney and points north are being settled so rapidly.

128 posted on 02/20/2006 2:20:54 PM PST by Centurion2000 ("If you're going to shoot somebody, Shoot! Don't talk!")
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To: Melas

Because he totally F%^& the neighborhood of hard working blue collar people with welfare scum subsidized by you the schmuck taxpayer.

You know what, he lost out in the end because the scum in Section 8 don't pay their way and destroy the place.

I am glad you see capitilism as taking from the taxpayer to subsidize lazy bums and people destroying working class neighborhoods in the process. Real nice.


129 posted on 02/20/2006 2:22:31 PM PST by chris1
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To: Melas

Your damned right! Section 8 destroys neighborhoods. Try living near these people for any period of time and you will vomit.


130 posted on 02/20/2006 2:25:31 PM PST by chris1
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To: angcat

My dad told me I had one chance and if I screwed up I was going to Roosevelt H.S.


131 posted on 02/20/2006 2:27:05 PM PST by chris1
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To: angcat

I love Biohazard. Hardcore Brooklyn band.


132 posted on 02/20/2006 2:28:42 PM PST by chris1
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To: Centurion2000
And this is why the exurbs, Frisco, north plano, McKinney and points north are being settled so rapidly.

You forgot Rowlette, the fastest growing city in the metroplex but that's really of no consequence to this discussion.

Silly me, I thought those areas were growing so rapidly because that's where the majority of new building was taking place. And guess what...this is really amazing....the new building is taking place there because there is more undeveloped land in those areas than in Dallas, Addison, Richardson, Garland, etc, which were all established earlier. It has NOTHING to do with immigration, illegal or otherwise.

133 posted on 02/20/2006 2:46:24 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: chris1
You know what, he lost out in the end because the scum in Section 8 don't pay their way and destroy the place.

I'm researching section 8 to make sure I understand this well. However, at this point I'm extremely uncomfortable labeling the lower economic classes as scum, so I'll agree to disagree for now.

134 posted on 02/20/2006 2:49:07 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Melas

Based on numerous examples I have come across personally, I will stand by my statement.

It ruins a neighborhood.


135 posted on 02/20/2006 3:00:12 PM PST by chris1
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To: Clemenza
Hempstead went downhill in the late 1970s. It hit rock bottom in the mid-late 1980s.
Blame Bush Reagan! :>)
136 posted on 02/20/2006 3:00:45 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Melas
It has NOTHING to do with immigration, illegal or otherwise.

Actually it does. I grew up in Bedford and the mid Cities area and got to watch first hand what happens to suburbs that don't age well. Irving looked like it was on it way down by about 1990. I go back home and drive through areas that I thought were wonderful. Now? You couldn't pay me to live there.

Irving is a toilet now. Bedford, Euless, Hurst, North Richland Hills, and Watauga are all looking run down as well.

In Texas, the prosperity of a town is inversely proportional to the amount of spanish signs and billboards in that town.

I have ZERO problems with legal immigrants, but illegals should have a bounty on them.

137 posted on 02/20/2006 3:21:56 PM PST by Centurion2000 ("If you're going to shoot somebody, Shoot! Don't talk!")
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To: AnAmericanMother

How many suburban post-war houses were built with pole hoists and haylofts in the middle?


138 posted on 02/20/2006 3:23:03 PM PST by gridlock (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: Centurion2000
In Texas, the prosperity of a town is inversely proportional to the amount of spanish signs and billboards in that town.

Yeah, San Antonio is a stunning example of that. /sarcasm.

I don't know why I bother. I only become frusrated and annoyed at the steady stream of anti-hispanic rhetoric on FR these days.

139 posted on 02/20/2006 4:09:29 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: chris1

We called them BaBa's (Guidos) we made fun of them also. My first car was a Apple Red Firebird a Guidette car.


140 posted on 02/20/2006 4:59:58 PM PST by angcat
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