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muawiyah wrote:

-- there are websites that compare and contrast the two, even the .28 caliber stuff.

They must all be mistaken eh?!

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muawiyah previously wrote:

--- Now, regarding the shot pattern and how far away the victim was from the firearm, this was birdshot, and it was presumably NEW birdshot, made out of steel, not lead!
It doesn't go as far as lead. Still, it has superior penetration because it's sharper than lead birdshot. You can learn all about this on the internet BTW.
Lots of new stuff out there on the varying characteristics of the newer steel shot, and you'd best learn those differences before you kill yourself out in a field somewhere. I had no idea it was so different ~ turns out it's better than lead.

Cheney also used a .28 caliber barrel, not a .410, and the shot pattern would be a bit tighter. I gather he only likes to shoot one bird at a time!

Well, anyway, if you looked at the shot pattern shown on the 4 cut-outs on that form, it's consistent with steel birdshot patterns at about 30 yards as fired from a .28.

There are no BBs in this stuff.
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Beagle8U wrote:

I think you are a lil mixed up, you need to do some research before you post much more on the subject. You are making yourself look foolish.
Thats not a personal attack, honest advice.

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Well put, 8u:

--- Muawiyah's misinformation is typical of the 'internet instant expert'.

Cheneys shotgun was 28 gauge, not ".28 caliber".

Steel shot does not have "superior penetration because it's sharper than lead birdshot".

The shot pattern would not "be a bit tighter" on a .410 vs a 28 gauge.

And to make a conclusion "from the shot pattern shown on the 4 cut-outs on that form,"
-- that they are -- " consistent with steel birdshot patterns at about 30 yards as fired from a .28" -- is sheer speculation.

Excuse me ~ mispoke. Here's an explanation on the net: "Shotgun gauges are determined by the number of lead balls of a given diameter required to make one pound of that size ball. Thus 10 balls of 10 gauge diameter are required to make one pound of such balls, or 20 balls of 20 gauge diameter are required to make one pound, and so forth. This is the traditional, and very old, system. The actual (nominal) bore diameters of the various gauges are as follows: 10 gauge = .775 inch, 12 gauge = .729 inch, 16 gauge = .662 inch, 20 gauge = .615 inch, 28 gauge = .550 inch. The .410 is named for its nominal bore size, and is not a gauge at all."

No doubt these guys were using the very best ammunition ~