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If Rudy is talking Jesus, he’s going to run ...(consider the source alert)
TimesOnline (UK) ^ | 2/19/2006 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 02/19/2006 6:23:11 AM PST by Dark Skies

An under-reported event took place at the end of last month. A leading Republican candidate went to address the evangelical Global Pastors Network in Orlando, Florida. The network is a large group, aiming to set up 5m churches worldwide in the next decade. Its leaders believe the apocalypse is coming soon and that their efforts at evangelisation might help accelerate the moment of rapture, when good Christians will be whisked to heaven to meet Jesus.

None of this is particularly noteworthy. The fastest growing theme in American evangelicalism is the pre-millennialist movement, while Left Behind, the fictional books dramatising the “end times”, are the bestselling adult series in America. What was surprising was that the Republican candidate addressing them was none other than Rudy Giuliani, the pro-choice, pro-gay, divorced Catholic former mayor of New York.

Giuliani gushed over his religious-right audience, according to an account on the evangelical website Crosswalk.com. “The principles of leadership apply universally,” he said, “whether in business, government, a sports team or a church. It is wonderful to see you improving yourselves in a way to make your ministries more effective. It is a miracle what you do.” He went on to stress his own faith in dealing with the crisis of 9/11.

When asked if he was running for president he said: “Only God knows. I’ll know better in a year whether I can fully commit to that process.” The pastors said they’d pray for him. Giuliani replied: “I appreciate you. I can tell you from my heart how much I appreciate what you are doing: saving people, telling them about Jesus Christ and bringing them to God.”

Take it from me: if Giuliani is talking Jesus, he’s running for president. He hasn’t been making much of a public splash, but he has been quietly traversing the country, heading up fundraisers and meeting the Republican base.

This outreach to evangelical Christians is not necessarily cynical. Many evangelicals in America do amazing work for the poor at home and abroad and deserve the thanks Giuliani gave. And insofar as he shares their Christian faith, he has no need to squirm.

But what’s more interesting is how receptive many of these grass-roots Republicans are to him. The polls of Republican voters two years before the primaries should be taken with a pinch of salt, but they are striking nonetheless. Giuliani is the most popular potential candidate in the whole bunch, which can only mean many evangelical Christians support him.

Giuliani currently has 33% support, above his nearest rival John McCain with 28%. The most popular religious-right candidate is George Allen, the senator of Virginia, on 7%. Giuliani beats McCain even though Giuliani is pro-choice on abortion and McCain is pro-life.

Giuliani has also walked in gay pride parades in New York and, after his messy divorce from his first wife, lived for a while in a town house with a gay male couple. He has performed in drag — and rather well I might add. On a whole slew of issues he is at odds with the Christian-right base. Yet the Gallup poll showed him beating McCain 31% to 26% among self-described “conservatives”.

So why are they for him? The most plausible answer is that, since 9/11, national security has trumped social issues in the highly pro-military South and Rocky Mountain west. Both McCain and Giuliani have impeccable reputations as hawks in the war on terror, but McCain has a long and bitter history with his party’s base. Many of them despise him, and the feeling is mutual. In 2000 McCain openly blamed the religious right for his loss to Bush in South Carolina. Giuliani has no such baggage.

But the other main theme emerging in American politics is competent management. Last week the House Republicans issued a blistering report on the government’s response to Hurricane Katrina. Many conservatives are well aware the Bush administration has been nothing short of a fiscal catastrophe. There is a hunger for someone who knows how to manage and get government to actually work, someone who can pull the levers of administrative power to make things happen and someone who knows how to balance a budget.

Giuliani is known for two things: turning a chaotic New York City into a bourgeois paradise; and for sterling leadership in an existential security crisis, 9/11. His CV is almost designed for this moment.

Moreover, Republican base voters know that the strident religiosity of the current president has alienated half the country. Not all of them are religious maniacs, demanding that every tenet of their faith be enshrined in government policy.

Allen, the leading religious-right candidate, suffers somewhat because he is so much like Bush: a likeable frat boy from the South. Others such as Sam Brownback, senator for Kansas, are so extreme they would never win a general election. So Giuliani only needs to reassure the Christian base that he is not actively hostile and he has a great opening to exploit.

His appeal, moreover, reaches both red and blue America. Another new poll, by Fox News, analysed how polarising the various candidates are. The poll looked at approval rates for candidates among their own party members and independents. Unsurprisingly, Hillary Clinton polarises. She gets 82% support among Democrats, but only 48% among independents and even less among Republicans.

McCain does better — with 57% support among independents — but is not so beloved in his own party, garnering only 64%. Giuliani does better than both, with Clinton-like levels of approval in his own ranks (81%) and McCain-like support among independents (63%). Americans are a little exhausted by the red-blue divide: Giuliani would help them with a touch of purple.

The caveats remain, of course. Giuliani has never been subjected to a national campaign, while Clinton and McCain have. New York reporters hint at all sorts of mini-scandals and ethical matters that might come back to haunt Rudy on a national stage.

His strong candidate for Bush’s homeland security department, Bernie Kerik, had to withdraw quickly under a blizzard of ethical queries. Giuliani’s inclusive social views could also prove fatal in a party dominated by anti-gay sentiment. His first wife is not too thrilled with him, either. He has a temper. He has made enemies in his time as mayor. He may look strongest now — before he has been drubbed in a brutal campaign.

And yet he squares the Republican circles in ways nobody else can. He’s inclusive but respectful of religion, a great manager and executive while also a powerful speaker and, above all, a man who stood up to terror in a way seared into the national — and even global — consciousness.

If I were advising him I’d urge him to pick a running mate who possesses major foreign policy experience to offset his lack of expertise. A Giuliani-Rice ticket? It’s what Democratic nightmares are made of.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2008; amylnitratealert; christianvote; giuliani; giuliani2008; homoagendaalert; president; rudy
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1 posted on 02/19/2006 6:23:13 AM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

There is no way an anti gun, pro abortion yankee will play in the south.


2 posted on 02/19/2006 6:25:54 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: Dark Skies

go for it Rudy as u r the only hope pubs got against Mrs. Clinton :(((


3 posted on 02/19/2006 6:28:05 AM PST by IronManBike (Lodestar in the LoneStar)
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To: Dark Skies

A Giuliani-Rice ticket works for me. Giuliani is the only Republican who could ever win the massive electorial votes from New York. I know there are many Freepers who would not support Rudy. However, Rudy is better than any democrat, and way better than McCain. Could he beat McCain for the nomination? That's the question.


4 posted on 02/19/2006 6:30:07 AM PST by sarasotarepublican (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: Dark Skies
If I were advising him I’d urge him to pick a running mate who possesses
major foreign policy experience to offset his lack of expertise.


Has Andrew Sullivan ever been to New York City?

There's enough foreign policy events going on in that city that
Giuliani could have picked it up by osmosis.
They didn't call it The World Trade Center for nuthin'!
5 posted on 02/19/2006 6:33:48 AM PST by VOA
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To: Dark Skies

What is Andrew Sullivan's main political objective in life? Gay special rights and ending marriage and family as we know it all in service to his butt. He constantly attacks religion because Christians organized a public defeat of his butt agenda. He wants Ruddy or McCain as our nominee. That tells you something.


6 posted on 02/19/2006 6:33:59 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: TXBSAFH
There is no way an anti gun, pro abortion yankee will play in the south.

Take your pick him or Hillary, I will take Rudy every time.

7 posted on 02/19/2006 6:34:08 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

I think the majority of Southerns would vote Rudy over Hillary. No contest. At least, I hope so. After the re-election of Bill Clinton, I have very little faith in the American voter.


8 posted on 02/19/2006 6:36:44 AM PST by sarasotarepublican (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: Echo Talon
he may be the lesser of two evils, but there's more out there, if presented right, a monkey would be better than Hillary
9 posted on 02/19/2006 6:37:05 AM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: whispering out loud

but could a monkey beat Hillary?


10 posted on 02/19/2006 6:37:52 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: TXBSAFH

You're absolutely right, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Giuliani change his position there. Roe v. Wade will soon be moot, and everyone knows an anti-gun stance is political suicide; even the Dims have figured that out.
It wll be interesting...


11 posted on 02/19/2006 6:38:01 AM PST by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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To: Echo Talon

Take whoever you like in a Rudy-Hillary race. Many of us will sit home or vote 3rd party (and there will be one if Rudy or McCain is the Republican nominee) which will only make it easier for Hillary to win with 40+%.


12 posted on 02/19/2006 6:39:07 AM PST by penowa
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To: TXBSAFH
Note the author of this article and read it with a healthy dose of suspicion.
Sullivan takes wishful thinking, as well as deceit, to a whole new level if he thinks Giuliani is the most popular candidate with the "base" and "evangelicals".
Any other time, when discussing Christians, let alone evangelicals, Andrew Sullivan would be vilifying them. But in promoting Giuliani, we find Sullivan suddenly extolling their virtues.

When asked if he was running for president he said: “Only God knows. I’ll know better in a year whether I can fully commit to that process.” The pastors said they’d pray for him. Giuliani replied: “I appreciate you. I can tell you from my heart how much I appreciate what you are doing: saving people, telling them about Jesus Christ and bringing them to God.”

Jesus wept.

13 posted on 02/19/2006 6:39:33 AM PST by jla (Urge Mike Pence to run for POTUS in '08: www.house.gov/formpence/IMA/contact.htm)
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To: penowa

Not true, just as many liberals will sit home when Hillary is nominated.


14 posted on 02/19/2006 6:41:31 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
Makes one wonder why a British paper feels impelled to insult Rudy Guilliani?

Do the British hate Italians?

Do the British hate anyone, anywhere, who does any kind of religion except for Islam (which they love, of course)?

Why does an English publication seek to defile Americans?

15 posted on 02/19/2006 6:41:34 AM PST by desertlily
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To: desertlily

No idea.


16 posted on 02/19/2006 6:42:52 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Liz
Read this, you'll be torn between laughing out loud and righteous indignation.
17 posted on 02/19/2006 6:43:38 AM PST by jla (Urge Mike Pence to run for POTUS in '08: www.house.gov/formpence/IMA/contact.htm)
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To: TXBSAFH
There is no way an anti gun, pro abortion yankee will play in the south.

That depends on who he's running against. If he's up against a pro-abort, anti gun democrat (which is pretty much any Democrat who could possibly get the nomination) he can certainly win. Most conservatives are perfectly comfortable voting for the lesser of two evils.
18 posted on 02/19/2006 6:44:34 AM PST by The Lumster
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To: Dark Skies
Giuliani has never been subjected to a national campaign, while Clinton and McCain have.

When did Hillary run for a national office? Simply married to a presidential candidate has qualified you to have that in the resume?

19 posted on 02/19/2006 6:46:02 AM PST by paudio
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To: Dark Skies
Giuliani is known for two things: turning a chaotic New York City into a bourgeois paradise; and for sterling leadership in an existential security crisis, 9/11

This may be Giuliani's ace in the hole. He appears to know how to make things happen and get things done. This instantly gives him a large advantage over any known Washington politician, Senators especially included.

20 posted on 02/19/2006 6:47:31 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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