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On the Border
Dallas Morning News ^ | 02/19/06 | Editorial Board

Posted on 02/19/2006 2:31:44 AM PST by peyton randolph

The Senate is slated to write an immigration bill next month, so we polled North Texas House members to see whether they could live with some likely Senate proposals. We were particularly curious about whether they could embrace a guest worker program to curb illegal immigration. The Senate is considering legalizing more workers through three-year visas.

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There's also the coming onslaught of 78 million retiring baby boomers. Without more workers to support retirement programs like Social Security, boomers must live with fewer benefits or younger workers must pay higher payroll taxes to support programs for boomers. Neither choice is good.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; babyboomers; illegals; immigration; nationalsecurity; openborders; welfarequeens
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Hmmm. We overtax the American people now to subsidize free education, welfare, prison room and board, etc. so that some of these illegals might one day provide the tax revenues to fund Social Security for Baby Boomers. I don't think so.

Let's secure our borders...and cut Baby Boomer 'entitlements' instead.

1 posted on 02/19/2006 2:31:45 AM PST by peyton randolph
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To: peyton randolph
There's also the coming onslaught of 78 million retiring baby boomers. Without more workers to support retirement programs like Social Security, boomers must live with fewer benefits or younger workers must pay higher payroll taxes to support programs for boomers. Neither choice is good.

I will never go for an idea that adds foreigners, especially illegals to our SS system. Not only that, don't these numbnuts realize that brining in a few million low-paid workers isn't going to save SS? Also, what happens when they become eligible for SS? Do we bring in more?

2 posted on 02/19/2006 3:08:48 AM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: raybbr

Dallas Morning News is playing to an audience of illegals. 1 out of 5 people living in the Dallas/Ft.Worth metroplex are immigrants...probably 95% of these are illegal.


3 posted on 02/19/2006 3:13:34 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: peyton randolph
"We were particularly curious about whether they could embrace a guest worker program to curb illegal immigration. "

How does that work? Declare illegals now legal? Smells like amnesty, works like amnesty, looks like amnesty.

I f illegal aliens themselves support something then I am against it.

4 posted on 02/19/2006 4:54:13 AM PST by Pio (Four Last Things: Death, Judgement, Heaven and Hell.)
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To: Pio
Smells like amnesty, works like amnesty, looks like amnesty.

Bingo!

5 posted on 02/19/2006 5:06:39 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Pio

As the law is now, Mexicans-American citizens who are elligible for Social Security, give up half, if they move back to Mexico. I'd be for paying them and letting them move. I am all for foreigners going home.


6 posted on 02/19/2006 5:12:01 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: peyton randolph

"There's also the coming onslaught of 78 million retiring baby boomers. Without more workers to support retirement programs like Social Security, boomers must live with fewer benefits or younger workers must pay higher payroll taxes to support programs for boomers."

I thought MLM schemes were illegal.


7 posted on 02/19/2006 6:08:05 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: CowboyJay
I thought MLM schemes were illegal.

Nope. Pyramid schemes are illegal unless run by the government. MLM schemes are legal thanks to hefty campaign contributions to politicians (Amway, Mary Kay, Primerica, etc.)

8 posted on 02/19/2006 6:09:57 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: peyton randolph; ancient_geezer
Without more workers to support retirement programs like Social Security, boomers must live with fewer benefits or younger workers must pay higher payroll taxes to support programs for boomers. Neither choice is good.

Allowing people to break the law for money isn't a good choice either.

There are other options. Simply changing the way we collect revenues for SS/MC could help. I mean why tax the smallest, poorest tax base? Eliminating the entire income tax/ss system and replacing it with a national retail sales tax would ameliorate the problem without affecting SS reform.

NRST HR25 and social security. Consider the source - and cnsider the information.

BTW, this measure forces illegals to pay the maximum rate. Always.

9 posted on 02/19/2006 6:13:45 AM PST by Principled
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To: peyton randolph

Thanks for the clarification.


10 posted on 02/19/2006 7:14:10 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: peyton randolph; Taxman; pigdog; Principled; EternalVigilance; rwrcpa1; phil_will1; kevkrom; ...

There's also the coming onslaught of 78 million retiring baby boomers. Without more workers to support retirement programs like Social Security, boomers must live with fewer benefits or younger workers must pay higher payroll taxes to support programs for boomers. Neither choice is good.

G'd forbid that I might live with fewer benefits, or even change how we fund SS/Medicare. Blechhh.

I'd opt for fewer benefits and killing the whole idea of funding with payroll taxes in a heart beat, to preserve a future for my children and grandchildren. They need to look to their own futures, and have the capacity to do so. The whole concept that they owe me their slave labor is an anethma and ridiculus on its face. I did not give the the opportunites of life, that they would merely becomes slaves to a attrocious tax system and entitlement program that should never have been started in the first place.

Kill income taxes and take out the payroll taxes with them. Neither system is good for any country that pretends to be founded on concepts of individual liberty and self reliance.

 

A Taxreform bump for you all.

If anyone would like to be added to this ping list let me know.

John Linder in the House(HR25) & Saxby Chambliss Senate(S25) offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and SS/Medicare payroll taxes outright and replace them with with a national retail sales tax administered by the states.

H.R.25,S.25
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer for additional information:


11 posted on 02/19/2006 7:16:28 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: peyton randolph
Isn't this the way that most Socialist systems work...by frightening you (either with rhetoric or gun) so that you will give them what they want--all for the 'good of the people'of course. The sheeple go along b/c they think that they are gonna get a piece of the pie and b/c class envy is always popular (after all it is only the rich who will be hurt and they already have too much).
12 posted on 02/19/2006 7:29:24 AM PST by socialismisinsidious (Liberals are all about choice UNTIL you choose differently than them.)
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To: ancient_geezer
I'd opt for fewer benefits and killing the whole idea of funding with payroll taxes in a heart beat, to preserve a future for my children and grandchildren. They need to look to their own futures, and have the capacity to do so. The whole concept that they owe me their slave labor is an anethma and ridiculus on its face. I did not give the the opportunites of life, that they would merely becomes slaves to a attrocious tax system and entitlement program that should never have been started in the first place.

Kill income taxes and take out the payroll taxes with them. Neither system is good for any country that pretends to be founded on concepts of individual liberty and self reliance.

To which I can only add a very large

A M E N ! ! !

13 posted on 02/19/2006 7:33:55 AM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: ancient_geezer; Badray
UN-FREAKING BELIEVABLE!

I'm speechless.
14 posted on 02/19/2006 7:40:06 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: peyton randolph

The FairTax would actually help on both points. Forcing illegals to pay sales tax will certainly make it less attractive for them.

Funding the SS/MC entitlements from the sales taxes rather than payroll taxes (which the illegals don't pay anyway) will provide a window of time to hopefully wind down and eliminate both SS & MC from burdening our tax system (and therefore us).


15 posted on 02/19/2006 10:12:03 AM PST by pigdog
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To: peyton randolph; Pio
The advisors will not allow the word "amnesty". We will see the following words used:

absolution, acquitting, amnesty, clearance, deliverance, discharge, discharging, dismissal, dismissing, exculpation, exemption, exoneration, freeing, letting off, liberation, pardon, release, releasing, relief, reprieve, vindication

16 posted on 02/19/2006 10:18:52 AM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Still sounds like amnesty.


17 posted on 02/19/2006 10:22:03 AM PST by pigdog
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To: peyton randolph
It's more like 50%+ are immigrants, but I agree most are illegal. You have Jorge Bushtega to thank. His goal is to fill the pockets of his rich friends with money by supplying cheap labor.
18 posted on 02/19/2006 10:22:05 AM PST by devane617 (An Alley-Cat mind is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: pigdog
Still sounds like amnesty.

Thats because it is amnesty. Those words are synonyms.

19 posted on 02/19/2006 10:31:21 AM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Yes, I know. Perhaps I should have put a smiley in there. Seemed obvious though.


20 posted on 02/19/2006 11:40:24 AM PST by pigdog
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