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To: The Fop
Those who support gay marriage believe very strongly that the idea that homosexuality is a disease that can be cured is "ill-founded".

You offer no facts or statistics to support your claim. Further, your contradict your own assertion with the statement: This is a hotly debated issue that has yet to be resolved by any scientific proof.

My argument against gay marriage is geared towards those who share my belief about some people being "authentically gay".

Once again, your previous statement contradicts any logical foundation that could exist for your position.

I think you'd have a tough time convincing these people [who believe in "authentically gay" people] otherwise.

As you have admitted, there is not any scientific proof to support the position that anyone is authentically gay. Those who refuse to consider fact and logic when forming opinions will not be convinced by some else who formed a conflicting opinion in the same manner. Consequently, your ill-founded argument will convince no one and it delusional to think otherwise.

One can believe that some people are born gay, and still view them as abnormal.

This is the only logical argument you have presented. However, even this argument is only supported by implied premises rather than stated ones. It is hardly the way to present a convincing argument.

I want homosexuality to viewed as abnormal, and legalizing gay marriage would put an end to that.

This argument is improperly stated and poorly supported, even by implied premises. It requires your audience to make assumptions and take “cognitive leaps into the unknown.” It appears that you are presenting an argument that legalizing “gay marriage” would somehow counter the perception that homosexuality is abnormal.

You might want to refer to my post #47, the numbered paragraphs.
65 posted on 02/19/2006 2:07:54 PM PST by Lucky Dog
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To: Lucky Dog

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Let me try to be as clear as possible.....

1. Lots of people believe that some people are born gay. I know plenty of them, and have heard many others express this same view.

2. Some of these people believe that it's a FACT that some people are born gay. I don't. I acknowledge that there is no scientific evidence to prove this, and that it's just an OPINION.

3. No, legalizing gay marriage will not mean that every single person will automatically, overnight, view homosexuality as normal. Many people will never view homosexuality as normal, and that's a good thing. However, there are many other people who will be influenced by the fact that our government will treating homosexuality as normal, and that's not a good thing, and is something that I fear will have long term negative effects on the sexual morality of our society.

4. You will never be able to persuade those who believe that some people are born gay to oppose gay marriage by trying to convince them that homosexuality is a disease that can be cured. They will dismiss this argument as the ravings of religious fanatics.

5. If you want to abandon trying to convince these people to oppose gay marriage because they do not accept your view that homosexuality is a disease that can be cured, that's your choice. Since I don't share this view, I will try to convince them to oppose gay marriage based on other arguments, arguments that you would obviously not view as being valid, as we disagree about whether homosexuality is a disease or an innate birth defect.


66 posted on 02/19/2006 7:53:43 PM PST by The Fop (They attacked 2 of America's main arteries, so we invaded the heart of Arabia. It's that simple)
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