Judge: Lesbian couple can be foster parents

The Kansas City Star ^ | Fri, Feb. 17, 2006 | By JOHN SHULTZ

[CheyennePress]

We've heard these emotionally charged arguments before, and it gave us a 50% divorce rate and 25% of children being born out-of-wedlock.

I'm sorry, but I see no reason to allow homosexual, polygmist, or whatever non-nuclear-type adoptions you can concoct.

[sandbar]

Ok, keep deluding yourself that you have made some wonderful (which you haven't, I haven't seen you do anything but question what someone else deems 'perverted' which quite honestly seems perverted in itself, but I digress) point.

Make a point. Make a valid statement and someone might pay you some attention to you. Otherwise I will put you on my 'can't follow a simple discussion' list and avoid you.

[Beagle8U]

Great, now a couple carpet munchers can take in homeless girls, nothing like making things easier for pedophiles.

[kanawa]

“I feel like we were heard.”

Well isn't that special.

[sandbar]

>>>We've heard these emotionally charged arguments before, and it gave us a 50% divorce rate and 25% of children being born out-of-wedlock.

I'm sorry, but I see no reason to allow homosexual, polygmist, or whatever non-nuclear-type adoptions you can concoct.>>>

Good for you! You have made a stand! You are fighting for what you believe is right!!! Wow, aren't you proud of yourself?

Now, as for the unfortunate children who have to live by your selfishly motivated desires, what should we explain to them is the reason they are denied a chance at a family, however abnormal? How many foster children do you have in your home? If the answer is none, then I feel you have no right to say SQUAT.

[Steveone]

"gay foster parents"

Thats it!! There should be no such thing and it keeps getting shoved in everyones faces.

The second question and this one baffles the crap out of me as a parent and that is ;what would these "Gay couples" know about raising children?? Clearly they got off the track big time somewhere along the line in life!

[CheyennePress]

My selfishly motivated desires, ma'am, are a bit less myopic than your desire to simply throw your hands in the air and accept something that a vast majority consider far less than desireable in the name of addressing a momentary inconvenience.

There are certainly means of coordinating adoption agencies and foster homes and making the appeal to potential foster parents more audible.

What you are of course doing is saying that gay couples are equal to straight parents in the eyes of the law. There really is no way around this. One court case, and it's done.

There are ways of maintaining principle and addressing problems. Now, what exactly about my post was selfish? Go ahead and come out with it. What, that I would address things in other ways?

[Terpfen]

How many foster children do you have in your home? If the answer is none, then I feel you have no right to say SQUAT.

"You've never been a soldier, so you have no right to talk about budget appropriations!" "You've never gone to the moon, so what do you know about space?"

One does not need first-hand experience to know about a particular topic.

[NapkinUser]

Well it is only FOSTER parents, but I hope it's appealed.

[sandbar]

>>>There are ways of maintaining principle and addressing problems. Now, what exactly about my post was selfish? Go ahead and come out with it. What, that I would address things in other ways?>>>

What in your post is selfish is that you are NOT addressing the needs of these children NOW all for keeping in with your political/moral leanings. Period.

That is selfish IMO.

[sandbar]

>>>One does not need first-hand experience to know about a particular topic.>>>

Apples to oranges. DISCUSSION of a subject does not require first hand experience, and that was NOT what I was talking about. I was talking about you not being part of the solution and yet you want to deny children a chance for a family to suit YOUR political ideas. If YOU ain't gonna cook, then get out of the kitchen.

[Graymatter]

Thanks, hon. Right now, my doctor is telling me that there's a good chance I'll be voting Democratic in '08. (Although I think he's wrong.) But if I knew for sure I'd live, I'd definitely be fighting to adopt. I can still afford some great lawyering. :)

There is nothing so precious as family, that I've learned. Because of that, I went hat in hand, applied everywhere and put up with a bellyful of bureaucrats. And there's nothing so obtuse as a bureaucrat. They would review me and conclude there must be something they're missing. They'd ask me, why aren't you married? Why aren't you dating? "Don't you think you should start dating...?"

Just thinking about some of them, is getting my bp up. :(

[Terpfen]

You may want to look again at the names you're replying to. I'm not the person you've been arguing with. I just wanted to point out the general stupidity of the "you weren't there, so you don't know" technique.

[Mulch]

If you have a "can't answer a simple question" list, you should jot your name down on it while your at it.

[SQUID]

What is "good people" and where would this end? So, if there were "good people" who could simply provide for children in need that were brother and sister who also want to marry each other it would also be no problem right? Mother and son? Uncle and Niece? Dog and lady? Man with 8 wives? Woman with 6 husbands? Master and slave?

Is there no moral boundary anymore? What is right and what is wrong? Are happiness and money the only factors that draw the boundaries of morality?

The more destruction of family there is through the complete redefinition of family and the increase in moral relativism the more foster children you will see. What's the big deal in giving up children when you have a society that believes women have the right to terminate them in the womb? All of this cheapens life and family.

History will always find it's way back because this insanity never lasts long. Ancient Greece has shown that. Back then it was acceptable for a man to have sex with a young boy but that stopped. Why? It made them happy and society didn't mind. So, just because society doesn't mind does that make it right? No. This is unfortunate and a vicious circle. Children are the battleground and they are the ones who loose every time.

[Casloy]

what would these "Gay couples" know about raising children??

Yeah, like normal couples all do a great job of raising children. Read the papers sometime and see how many "normal" people abuse their own children in countless ways. It's why we need foster parents, to take care of kids who's own parents have mistreated them or are incapable of being decent parents. There is no evidence whatsoever that gay people are more likely to hurt a child than a straight child. Where would you suggest we put foster children when we run out of normal husband/wife parents? Wake up, lesbian couples are having children all over the place. Would you suggest we go and take their kids away from them?

[sandbar]

>>>You may want to look again at the names you're replying to. I'm not the person you've been arguing with. I just wanted to point out the general stupidity of the "you weren't there, so you don't know" technique.>>>

Ummm, I am quite sure I have no idea what you are talking about. Why would I look again at the names I'm replying too. Is there something special about them?

And since you can't grasp the debate, it isn't a "you weren't there so you don't know" technique. If you'll follow along, I was stating since you (they) aren't part of the solution, they need not judge others who are trying to be.

[SteveMcKing]

"So take them all in, since you want to deny these children ANY family, surely you have the means and ability to provide them with a family, right?"

Exactly the argument that abortion fans use. Notwithstanding, a bad family is worse than no family.

"All the hypocrites on this thread make me sick."

Now you are being personal and showing emotionalism, not reason.

"They want to decide that these children have NO family as opposed to a family they disagree with."

I "disagree" with rape, murder, IV drug use, and homosexual rearing of kids. They are all bad (to greatly different degrees, of course).

"I am not saying this is the optimal way, but damnit, where are all the heterosexual couples wanting to be foster parents?"

Because no good citizen will shovel my driveway does not mean I will let Charlie Manson do it, even if he asks and is somehow permitted.

[sandbar]

>>>If you have a "can't answer a simple question" list, you should jot your name down on it while your at it.>>>

I would if someone would actually ASK A FREAKING question.

Of course if it something about perversion or some other such nonsense, you can keep that question to yourself. I have no desire to discuss what you get off on as perverted.

[Steveone]

"lesbian couples are having children all over the place. Would you suggest we go and take their kids away from them?"

But that is a unnatural setting and we have yet to see the results of this abuse in other words the jury is still out..

But what we do know is the nuclear family works and has since the beginning of time!