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To: T.Smith
"Secession was a right and the Federal government, under Lincoln, subverted that right."

Absolutely wrong.

Articles of Confederation:

Article XIII. Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.

"And Whereas it hath pleased the Great Governor of the World to incline the hearts of the legislatures we respectively represent in Congress, to approve of, and to authorize us to ratify the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union. Know Ye that we the undersigned delegates, by virtue of the power and authority to us given for that purpose, do by these presents, in the name and in behalf of our respective constituents, fully and entirely ratify and confirm each and every of the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union, and all and singular the matters and things therein contained: And we do further solemnly plight and engage the faith of our respective constituents, that they shall abide by the determinations of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions, which by the said Confederation are submitted to them. And that the Articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the States we respectively represent, and that the Union shall be perpetual."

The moment that the Articles of Confederation were signed, secession was no longer a right.

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32 posted on 02/20/2006 11:02:03 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Thanks for the ping!

Exactly correct.

The reason for the Constitution was to form a more perfect Union, not a loose collection of quasi-nations.

37 posted on 02/21/2006 1:13:01 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Gal. 4:16)
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To: WayneS

check out this quote post by Luis.


48 posted on 02/21/2006 2:56:47 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Even Lincoln acknoweldged the right to secession. He backtracked later in his administration.


50 posted on 02/21/2006 3:02:49 PM PST by stainlessbanner (Downhome Dixie)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

The Constitution was adopted to REPLACE the Articles, not augment them.

The Constitution contains NO prohibition of secession. Therefore, Amendment X makes it legal.

Desirable? NO! A great idea? NO!

Legal? Yes.


73 posted on 02/22/2006 4:44:44 AM PST by WayneS (Follow the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You show the intention of the union being perpetual, but not where all States are forced to remain in it.
91 posted on 02/22/2006 6:38:36 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Correction to your definition as it fits to the Articles of Confederation.

Perpetual - 1. an 8 year period from 1781 - 1789 2. An 8 year lifespan of a document that was replaced by a document that does not mention the word perpetual.


156 posted on 02/22/2006 11:49:54 AM PST by MissouriConservative (I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code)
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