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To: Ditto
If you think unilateral secession is constitutional, I am mystified why you would quote the Federalist papers, especially one written by James Madison.

There's nothing wrong with James Madison, or my quotes.

Nor can I see your post denying or affirming anything. Madison never states agreement, only that Webster "dodges the blow by confounding the claim "

Do you know where I can find a copy of the Daniel Webster speech of which Madison spoke?

205 posted on 02/22/2006 3:49:35 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: MamaTexan
Nor can I see your post denying or affirming anything. Madison never states agreement, only that Webster "dodges the blow by confounding the claim "

Try reading it again, Mama. Madison clearly calls unilateral secession as Calhoun threatened then " violation, without cause, of a faith solemnly pledged" while at the same time supporting the right to revolution, or "seceding from intolerable oppression." The "confounding" part was refering to was Calhoun and the nullification faction from South Carolina. What is interesting is that in 1833, the South Carolina fire-eaters were seen so over the top in their disrespect for Republican government that they did not even have the support of their Deep South neighbors who had common economic and social concerns. It took a full generation of repeting a lie and "confounding" the difference between what the patriots of 1776 and what the Slaveocracy demanded before enough of the public was gulible enough and full of self destructive macho sectionalism to think they were actually walking in the steps of the founders when instead they trampled into the mud the very thing the founders fought for.

Of all the men Andy Jackson killed or threatened to, one can only wish he had followed through on his threat to hang John C. Calhoun from the nearest tree. That may have been the only single act that could have prevented the Civil War.

Do you know where I can find a copy of the Daniel Webster speech of which Madison spoke?

See the Hayne-Webster Debate

211 posted on 02/22/2006 5:16:24 PM PST by Ditto
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