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L.A. Jury Awards Teacher $18 Million For False Arrest
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Posted on 02/17/2006 8:42:17 AM PST by thebaron512

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To: jazusamo
When something like this happens, many people are quick to blame a whole dept. or police in general.

That's easily taken care of. Let the "whole dept. or police in general" get rid of those who misbehave. That doesn't happen so the only fair conclusion is that the whole organization tolerates that kind of conduct.

41 posted on 02/17/2006 9:40:33 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: Lancey Howard

I wanna' know what happened to the girl.


42 posted on 02/17/2006 9:41:12 AM PST by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: FreePaul

"That doesn't happen so the only fair conclusion is that the whole organization tolerates that kind of conduct."

That is absolutely an untrue statement.


43 posted on 02/17/2006 9:44:41 AM PST by jazusamo (A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
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To: Michael.SF.
at some point we need to take it for granted that the jury and the judge made a decision based on the evidence in front of them.

Understand, but its the judges ruling that throws me. He is factually innocent? A Photograph at the time of a crime is conclusive. Weird

44 posted on 02/17/2006 9:44:53 AM PST by Bommer (Ted Kennedy - Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life!)
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To: Bommer
Sorry. There is nothing in the article about "Photographic Proof"

Do you think newspapers publish all of the facts in any given case?

Almost everyone knows that people are photographed at an ATM.

Please keep your day job. I don't think you have the skills to be a detective.

45 posted on 02/17/2006 9:46:26 AM PST by vox humana
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To: Michael.SF.
What I want is a civil litigation system base upon reasonable action. First, I do find the amount excessive and second, there should not be a finding unless there is FAULT.

If the officer followed established procedure and the case was prosecuted as a normal case (hard to tell from the article), then compensation should be limited actual damages (loss of salary, salary for like years in the future, lawyer fees, loss of residence, etc.)

If the officer did not follow established procedure, then in addition to the compensation above, additional penalties should be applied up to a maximum fact of x3 as per standard civil fault penalties. I do have a hard time with the underlying assumption that there is a base of $6 Million for actual damages.
46 posted on 02/17/2006 9:47:20 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: thebaron512
Because the county is not insured, the award, if upheld, would be paid by the department....

Why isn't the county insured??

47 posted on 02/17/2006 9:47:35 AM PST by Libertarian444
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To: FreePaul
"They listed his employment with them for the ten years he was in prison."
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Ahhh...there's nothing quite like fraud.
48 posted on 02/17/2006 9:49:39 AM PST by Stark_GOP
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To: Libertarian444

LA Co is self insured and has been for years.


49 posted on 02/17/2006 9:49:50 AM PST by jazusamo (A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
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To: tfecw
So did you fire him cause...

We didn't discuss a reason with him and he didn't ask for one. He did tell us that it was the employment agency who decided to falsify his resume. We found out that agencies falsifying resumes is very common. We had people who pointed out on their original interview that the agency had insisted on falsifying their resumes.

50 posted on 02/17/2006 9:52:43 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: Libertarian444
"Why was the county uninsured?"

"The largest previous award against the sheriff's department was $15.9 million, which a jury ordered paid to 36 people who had been arrested at a Cerritos bridal shower six years earlier."

My guess is that after the last huge SNAFU, the insurance companies all quoted annual premiums in excess of $1 million - to which the county, in their brilliance, decided the "big, bad insurance companies are trying to rip us off" and decided to go self-funded.

I'd bet that the premium looks damn cheap now.

51 posted on 02/17/2006 9:56:52 AM PST by Henchster
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To: jazusamo
Show me anything untrue in my statement. Are the people who caused this problem still employed? Are any of their fellow employees or their supervisors trying to get rid of them?
52 posted on 02/17/2006 9:58:07 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: taxcontrol

You have some good suggestions. Maybe we could find a judge who would be willing to get a group of people together to listen to the evidence. They could decide who was at fault and how much.... No. That wouldn't work. We tried that and you didn't like it.


53 posted on 02/17/2006 10:04:23 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: FreePaul
"That's easily taken care of. Let the "whole dept. or police in general" get rid of those who misbehave. That doesn't happen so the only fair conclusion is that the whole organization tolerates that kind of conduct."

"Whole depts. & police in general" fire employees every year across the country for misbehavior. You seem to one who generalizes about the corruptness of law enforcement.
54 posted on 02/17/2006 10:09:10 AM PST by jazusamo (A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
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To: thebaron512

One for the good guys...


55 posted on 02/17/2006 10:12:36 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: doc30
Doc, bear in mind that this is LA County, a corrupt Latino country, which is geographically surrounded by California, at present an American State.

This is the same department that invaded a man's home in the Malibu Hills, shot the 75-year old senior citizen in front of his wife when he came down stairs armed, and confiscated his ranch.

Small Problem:

(a) Wrong County!
(b) Police informant "says" marijuana being grown on property. "Informant" used in many similar cases.
(c) No marijuana observed beforehand, None found.
(d) Racket: Sheriff confiscates rural properties.
(e) County gives sweetheart deals to "environmentalist" wired to Diane Feinstein
(f) "Environmentalist" sells property back to county as nature reserves.
(g) Over the years, about $100Million.

What do we think that case is worth? What's in it for the Sheriff?

56 posted on 02/17/2006 10:16:02 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Accurate observation is necessary, but does not necessarily include agreement.)
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To: vox humana

Or you to see the judges ruling! Photographs are conclusive!


57 posted on 02/17/2006 10:21:07 AM PST by Bommer (Ted Kennedy - Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life!)
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To: thebaron512

This is exactly what our taxes are for, right? To pay out huge awards for these shenanigans.


58 posted on 02/17/2006 10:23:48 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: thebaron512

Most courts have what is called the power of remitter. This means a judge can unilaterally reduce an award which they believe is excessive and not supported by the evidence. I would expect the power to be invoked in this case. (but, you never know.....this IS California we are talking about)


59 posted on 02/17/2006 10:27:59 AM PST by joebuck
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To: ExcursionGuy84

I can never understand the outrage at the huge money settlements for damages issuing from people like you.
You know there is little correspondence between judgements
and their $$ awards and what the complainant actually gets, and WHEN and HOW he gets it. Even if he were to receice a lump sum tomorrow, I say good for him, and good for the collective taxpayers that in effect fund the payout, becuase, for all they know, it could be them next time and not Raul Ramirez this time. Enough of these hotdog prosecutors out to build a reputation for themselves on the backs of innocent citizens, and maybe the voters will think twice about putting certain people in office, who appoint certain other people. The beat goes on though, and this stuff happens in every big and small city and town eventually. If this happened in New Jersey where I live , I would have no problem , knowing that, oh, I dunno, maybe ten dollars of my property tax $$ went to pay the damages suffered by ANYONE falsely accused. PRECISELY BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN ME. And if continuing big money settlements "bankrupt" the Police Departments, it is THEY who should think twice and three times about what kinds of priorities they should have , and what they need to do to preserve the public trust, NOT US
And I HAVE been involved in campaigns to get innocent people out of jail , yes, Death Row, and there is NOTHING WORSE than being accused of a crime you did not commit, let alone spending years on Death Row as an innocent man .Ever hear of Randall Adams?


60 posted on 02/17/2006 10:30:29 AM PST by willyboyishere (You'd better begin living the way you think, or you'll soon be thinking the way you live> Brecht)
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