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To: Ben Ficklin

"I knew if I stayed with you long enough, you would reveal your real motivation. Cultural!"

Yep, I'm a Cultural Conservative. Proud of it, too. Preserving our way of life for myself and my progeny is certainly part of why I'm in favor of defending our borders and reforming our illegal immigration enforcement.

I'm also a fiscal conservative. Illegal immigration is leading to increased government spending for entitlements.

I also believe in preserving the liberties guaranteed to citizens of this country under the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Having a large percentage of unassimilated foreign nationals from a single country is a threat to our values and sovereignty.

I'm also a Christian. Oh, and a capitalist(just not in cases where it is detrimental to our security, liberty, and sovereignty).

For me, being able to afford a house is more important than having access to cheap knick-knacks and restaurant food. I would also like my progeny to have the same opportunities this nation has provided me.

I also believe that our American way of life as defined by our founding fathers, our laws and the borders of our country are worth defending.

I believe my culture, values and intelligence are being insulted on a daily basis by the MSM and the elites in Washington. I'm also a big Teddy Roosevelt fan.

I can also see that everytime in our history that the supply of cheap labor has slowed, our private sector has responded with innovation to take better advantage of the available workforce.

Open borders and illegal immigration are bad for our country culturally and econimically. It's also a huge security risk. Those are my biases. That's my agenda.

What is your agenda?

I've provided at least 3 good reasons why blanket-amnesty is bad, and closing the borders is good.

The only argument you've made so far for amnesty is increasing GDP. Increasing GDP only through increasing man-hours-worked provides no net increase to standard of living. It also provides negative motivation for innovation, thereby retarding future gains to our standard of living. It also increases inflationary pressures in the housing market.

Care to refute that?


56 posted on 02/18/2006 6:16:10 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: CowboyJay
I refuted it several times. Look at the demographic data. What are you going to do when the worker to retiree ratio reaches 2 to 1? Have you seen the economic models of that? The US maintains its economic output mainly because of immigration, although increases in productivity contributes to a lesser degree. Without this, the EU would quickly overtake the US. Have you seen the economic models of that?

There is a demographic reality today that you are going to have to accept. There is also a demograpic reality 20-25 years down the road that younger people of today will have to accept when that time arrives. There is a demographic reality 50 years down the road that even younger people of today will have to accept.

As for the cultural aspects and our heritage, I can tell you that I am descended from William Bradford. We started this country as a white, anglo-saxon, protestant nation. Thru the years, and because of immigration, the original culture and heritage has changed. So if the culture and heritage changes further, so what.

58 posted on 02/18/2006 7:10:59 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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