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To: quadrant

In a Platonic view, it's necessary to keep a stratified order in which those who don't earn their way can stay in power. The collective (as defined by the few who decide that they are "golds" and we poor masses are "bronzes") is the priority

In an Aristotelian view, it's necessary for the individual to be personally accountable and to heck with unearned authority or advantage. Thus if a person earns his way to success -- that's the determinant. But there must still be buy in to the "guilt".


They come here because their leaders are like Plato-- coming from the elites, but offering nothing and being on the brink of falling into the chasm. Hence the elites are more desperate to hold on to the power that they have.

They come here for the benefits of liberty and indivu


41 posted on 02/17/2006 8:40:26 AM PST by saveliberty (Spitzer (fleas be upon him))
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To: saveliberty

:p Preview is my friend. Sorry.

Post was supposed to stop at the 3rd paragraph

I will be hiding under my desk


42 posted on 02/17/2006 8:41:23 AM PST by saveliberty (Spitzer (fleas be upon him))
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I have no objection to anyone entering the US, if they do so legally and if they do so with the intention of obeying our laws and customs.
I do have an objection to anyone entering illegally or entering legally with the intention of setting up some sort of disaffected colony that could be used change the nature of the United States.


50 posted on 02/17/2006 3:17:01 PM PST by quadrant
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To: saveliberty
They come here for the benefits of liberty and indivu

Not true. They came because they will get better pay than in Mexico. And medical care and more ...

Very few people are motivated by the desire of liberty.

52 posted on 02/17/2006 6:39:22 PM PST by A. Pole (Confucius:A noble man strives as much to learn what is right as lesser man to discover what will pay)
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