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Islam's problem with democracy (de Tocqueville analysis alert)
Townhall.com ^ | 2/16/2006 | Suzanne Fields

Posted on 02/16/2006 3:07:53 PM PST by Dark Skies

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To: jan in Colorado
Sorry...I am not convinced that the Prez and Condi both understand that the enemy is islam itself.

The President has gone far enough to say "islamofascism" but Condi has never said as much.

Our leaders have never unequivocally defined the nature of this enemy. No doubt that it is a complicated matter. But islam is blasphemy to Christ. It is not noble. And installing the "noble" koran in the WH library is the equivalent of placing the necronomicron in same.

Not convinced!!!

How are our Lord's emissaries treated in this man's country?

41 posted on 02/16/2006 7:26:26 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies
"Islam will not be able to hold its power long in ages of enlightenment and democracy..

So, if true, look from the immas view, no enlightement, Islam prospers. This kind of explains things, eh?

42 posted on 02/16/2006 7:44:56 PM PST by Leisler (Islam Macht Fries!)
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To: Dark Skies

TROP


43 posted on 02/16/2006 7:56:58 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: Fred Nerks

Are you glad to see me? ;o)


44 posted on 02/16/2006 8:33:30 PM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless our troops and our President! (better add the Vice President too!))
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To: jan in Colorado

Are you glad to see me? ;o)




That's a gun in my belt, silly.


45 posted on 02/17/2006 4:03:37 AM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Read the Biography THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. pdf link on My Page)
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To: Dark Skies; bayouranger; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado
Saudi Arabia is the textbook case for everything wrong with islam, and its compatibility with modernity and democracy.

The KSA uses nothing less than the KORAN as it constitution, and us filthy kuffar are not pure enough to even walk, live or breathe on part of its soil.

KSA = MohamMADs belief in islamic supremacy and the domination and destruction of all others on display for all to see.

Saud hypocrite swine = Taliban after a wash and shover and a few trillion on their back accounts to spend on islam, places, booze and hookers.

46 posted on 02/17/2006 5:34:31 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Fred Nerks

" Arabian hatred, the backbone, the origin of annihilation of indigenous peoples, under the banner of 'religion' has a much greater influence on world history than we ever suspected."

The information/link you posted concerning where Hitler developed his murdeous plan of annhiliation, makes sense. For a long time, I've felt islamic terrorism was very similar to nazism.

The link on your post #26, was very thought provoking as well. To think the whole reason behind helping the muslims in Yugoslavia was based on fabricated lies, is indeed, very scary and beyond words.


47 posted on 02/17/2006 5:34:40 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: Pepper777
Beginning with Princip as a potential 'useful idiot' for islam, the leaders of the quite possibly muslim-controlled and motivated 'revolutionary' group he belonged to, must have understood the various alliances of the period, and how it would result in a huge conflict...if the Archduke was assassinated.
Better to allow or persuade a misfit, a consumptive Christian to carry out the deed - persuade him he was striking a blow for Independence from the Austrian Empire, than have a muslim do it...islam has not, will NEVER forget it was driven back from the gates of Vienna!
Under the cover of the Great War, the Turks annihilated the Christian Armenians; that's nothing less than the usual islamic 'cleansing' of territory...which they did whilst Germany was their ally and witness.

While Hitler was in the trenches, fighting beside the Turks, imbibing muslim hatred of Jews and Christianity, learning about islam, reading from the koran...that terror manual, a collection of instructions on how to annihilate human beings. (Tie them up and burn them alive etc. That's what the Turks did to hundreds of thousands of Armenians.)

Hitler returns to Germany after the war. There is to be a brief communist government. He identifies communism with Jews. He has the enemy he needs, he has the indoctrination...he has studied the methods used by the Turks. Two world wars. For and all about islam. The ideology of hatred is infectious! Hitler promises the Mufti of Jerusalem 'no Jew will leave Europe alive'

http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/medigest/may00/arabnazi.html

History needs a re-write. We have only touched the surface. We treat the symptoms and have no idea of the cause IMO.

48 posted on 02/17/2006 6:30:25 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Read the Biography THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. pdf link on My Page)
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To: Pepper777

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/amin_en.html#part1

Photo's & Documents.


49 posted on 02/17/2006 6:36:02 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Read the Biography THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. pdf link on My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks; Dark Skies; jan in Colorado; AmericanArchConservative; ariamne; Former Dodger; ...
History needs a re-write. We have only touched the surface. We treat the symptoms and have no idea of the cause IMO.

I concur.

The link from #49 is another "must read":

Armenian genocide (One and a half million Christians are slaughtered under the sword of Islamic Jihad by the Ottoman Army) to Palestine: The lessons of genocide and the vision of leading a Pan-Islamic empire, where Jews and Christians are not acceptable.

50 posted on 02/17/2006 7:32:26 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Fred Nerks
That's a gun in my belt, silly.

Do you have a permit to carry that?

51 posted on 02/17/2006 8:01:07 PM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless our troops and our President! (better add the Vice President too!))
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To: USF; Pepper777

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/006.shtml

The Holocaust in Bosnia-Hercegovina, 1941-1945

by Carl K. Savich
Bosnia-Hercegovina has for over a millennium been a battleground where the world's major religions, civilizations, cultures, and empires have clashed and collided: Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Islam, Judaism, the Ottoman Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the medieval Serbian, Croatian,and Bosnian Empires, the East and the West. Bosnia-Hercegovina was the dividing line between East and West, between Catholicism and the West and Orthodoxy, Islam, and Judaism and the East. The churches, the cathedrals,the mosques, and the synagogues are the remaining symbols of this battle and conflict between cultures and empires.

World War I began in Bosnia, one of the bloodiest and most horrific wars in the history of mankind, ushering in the twentieth century. The Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78Ýsprang from the 1875 insurrection in Bosnia-Hercegovina. During World War II, Bosnia-Hercegovina was one of the bloodiest battlefields of the war and of the Holocaust.

The Bosnian Serbs are representatives of the Orthodox Christian Church and of the Byzantine culture and are part of the larger Serbian nation. The Bosnian Croats are representatives of the Roman Catholic Church and the Austro-Hungarian culture and are part of the Croatian nation. The Bosnian Muslims are representatives of Sunni Islam and were part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire and culture. The Bosnian Jews are representatives of Judaism and are mostly descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain following the Inquisition and expulsion of the Jews.

From 1941-1945, Bosnia-Hercegovina was part of the NDH, Nezavisna Drzava Hrvatska, the Independent State of Croatia and was one of the bloodiest arenas of the Holocaust and battlefields of the war. With the assistance of Haj Amin el Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and Reichsfuehrer SS Heinrich Himmler, the Bosnian Muslim leadership undertook the systematic extermination of the Jewish and non-Muslim, non-Croat population of Bosnia-Hercegovina. Two Waffen SS Divisions and other Nazi and fascist formationsÝ were formed to advance the goals of the Third Reich and of Islam. The goal of the Muslims was to achieve autonomyÝ and independence for Bosnia-Hercegovina under Muslim rule. The period 1941-1945 is crucial in understanding and comprehending the Bosnian civil war of 1992-1995.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem

Haj Amin el Husseini fled to Europe in 1941 following the unsuccessful pro-Nazi coup which he organized in Iraq. He met Joachim von Ribbentrop and was officially received by Adolf Hitler on November 28, 1941 in Berlin. Nazi Germany established for der Grossmufti von Jerusalem a Bureau from which he organized the following: 1) radio propaganda on behalf of Nazi Germany; 2) espionage and fifth column activities in Muslim regions of Europe and the Middle East; 3) the formation of Muslim Waffen SS and Wehrmacht units in Bosnia, the Balkans, North Africa, and Nazi-occupied areas of the Soviet Union; and, 4) the formation of schools and training centers for Muslim imams and mullahs who would accompany the Muslim SS and Wehrmacht units. As soon as he arrived in Europe,the Mufti established close contacts with Bosnian Muslim and Albanian Muslim leaders. He would spend the remainder of the war organizing and rallying Muslims in support of Nazi Germany.

Haj Mohammed Effendi Amin el Husseini was born in 1893 in Jerusalem, then the capital of Palestine, which was a part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. In 1917, during World War I, the British occupied Palestine and established the Mandate. On November 2, 1917, British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour announced that Britain was committed to establishing a Jewish homeland in formerly Ottoman Palestine, which was known as the Balfour Declaration of 1917.

Husseini devoted his entire life and career to the destruction of a proposed Jewish homeland and the prevention of Jewish immigration into Palestine. His goal was to create an Arab state of Palestine with the concomitant extermination or marginalization of the Jewish population.

...and so on and so on...

Running through the carnage of two world wars is islam, islam, islam...


52 posted on 02/17/2006 8:36:46 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Read the Biography THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. pdf link on My Page)
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To: jan in Colorado

No, I don't need one. It's a Magnum. Chocolate coated, nut sprinkles. Yum Yum.


53 posted on 02/17/2006 8:38:32 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Read the Biography THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. pdf link on My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks

"" Running through the carnage of two world wars is islam, islam, islam... ""

I found the following sentence to be especially interesting: - "The period 1941-1945 is crucial in understanding and comprehending the Bosnian civil war of 1992-1995."

Guess I better get with the program and study up on the period of 1941-45, if I'm ever to understand what happened in Bosnia and why Nato was involved. Surprising to actually see the term muslim SS. Thanks for the article.


54 posted on 02/17/2006 9:06:22 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: jan in Colorado; Fred Nerks; USF; Former Dodger; Dark Skies

I am always glad to see all of my good FRiends.

To the muhammadans, however, I send only the warmest of Thermonuclear greetings. May all their days be filled with fused green glass!

Final Crusade NOW!

A.A.C.

{getting p*ssier by the hour!}


55 posted on 02/20/2006 7:16:55 PM PST by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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