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Thoughts on Quail Hunting and Abortion
Townhall.com ^ | 2/16/2006 | Mike Adams

Posted on 02/16/2006 6:50:27 AM PST by dson7_ck1249

In my thirteen years as a college professor, I’ve never seen joy and celebration that rivals the response to Dick Cheney’s hunting accident. Of course, that’s really saying something. Bringing American professors to laughter is nearly as tough as bringing American feminists to orgasm. It’s a theoretical possibility that is seldom achieved without a workshop.

The liberal reaction to Cheney’s accident may vary slightly from liberal to liberal but there is one common characteristic; namely, these liberals feel morally superior because they’ve never shot someone on a hunting trip....

Of course, the fact that.....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; cheney; hunting; hypocrisy; liberals; media; quail; quailgate
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To: NRA1995
There's a BIG difference!

What's the difference? Unless the shotgun fired itself, Cheney took aim at (I'm assuming) a quail and fired while his hunting partner was in the line of fire. There's nothing to excuse here, and, unless he's taking the blame for someone else, the evidence is pretty clear cut.

21 posted on 02/16/2006 7:26:43 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill
Cheney deliberately pointed his shotgun at someone and fired. It was an incredibly irresponsible act, made more complicated by the fact that he was drinking beforehand.

Y'know what? This is utter BS. He had one beer several hours earlier, at lunch. And if you think he "deliberately pointed his shotgun at someone and fired," you're an idiot. Cheney with a shotgun is a lot less dangerous than you with a keyboard.

22 posted on 02/16/2006 7:26:53 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: wbill

Sorry, but if you can't read the difference between your first posting and the next one you made, I can't help you. Go back to school and learn some English!


23 posted on 02/16/2006 7:29:03 AM PST by NRA1995 (If feminists are so smart, why do they need masturbation workshops?)
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To: dson7_ck1249
I wasn't aware of the statistics. Interesting.

I am (or at least was, back when I had the time) a hunter. Grew up in the Northeast, going after mainly woodcock (They're an awfully tasty bird and fun to shoot at, especially with something light like 20 or a .410!) and the occasional deer. My father and I shot a bear once - just once - because it was the most miserable drag out of the woods that I've ever experienced. :-) There's nothing on a bear to grab on to!

With all of the time I spent in the woods, I've never been peppered. My family are all hunters. I've never heard them mention getting 'peppered' either. Wonder if hunters in my neck of the woods were more responsible (unlikely), or maybe there are just less of them (more likely).

24 posted on 02/16/2006 7:36:07 AM PST by wbill
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To: dson7_ck1249
Finally, they should be told to wear an orange cap and vest during abortion season to let men know that their child will be aborted if they get one of these women pregnant.

Very good article with some excellent points. Could make you cry if it didn't contain humor.

My only addition would be that men need to wear the same cap and vest to notify women that if impregnated she is going to be on her own.

25 posted on 02/16/2006 7:36:13 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: wbill
Cheney deliberately pointed his shotgun at someone and fired

What in the world have you been smoking?

26 posted on 02/16/2006 7:37:34 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: hinckley buzzard; NRA1995
I'm an idiot? That can't speak English? If you want to resort to personal attacks, both of you are apologist fools.

Would you be defending Cheney if he was a Democrat? What if it was Ted Kennedy who pulled the trigger?

27 posted on 02/16/2006 7:39:08 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill

I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than go for a ride with Ted Kennedy....any day of the week.
Yeah, no need for any personal attacks here, mostly I wanted to get thoughts on what I thought was an excellent article drawing parallels between something the liberals seem to think is a big deal and something that conservatives think of as a monumental issue.


28 posted on 02/16/2006 7:42:18 AM PST by dson7_ck1249
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To: dson7_ck1249
I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than go for a ride with Ted Kennedy ...I'm with you there. LOL!

Usually, I like Adams' columns, although I think that he'd be a pain to work with. I'd hate to be an administrator at his school. I thought that this latest article could have been written better, though. He did an awfully good job of building up a straw man, then knocking it over.

Like I said in my original post, this whole incident - the shooting, and the aftermath - disgusts me. And the people that say 'Hey, this is no big deal' get me a little wound up. I can't imagine hunting that irresponsibly myself, and I think that sloughing it off gives hunters a bad reputation. I think that Liberal's general perception of hunters is that they're a bunch of bloodthirsty killjoys, and incidents like this and people that rush to apologize for them, just confirm that perception.

29 posted on 02/16/2006 7:53:35 AM PST by wbill
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To: dson7_ck1249

The liberals would argue that an unborn child is not a person, hence it doesn't matter if they die.


30 posted on 02/16/2006 8:00:16 AM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: wbill

Cheney had "a" beer. Are you commenting on your own abilities and judgment after "a" beer? Your charge that he "deliberately" pointed a gun at a man is tantamount to a charge of attempted murder. Only a few on the left have gone that far.


31 posted on 02/16/2006 8:09:19 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: dson7_ck1249

I got peppered while hunting once when very young. Well, I was hunting Domestic Duck on somebody else's property at the time I was very happy that the old man was using birdshot in a .410 and not the rocksalt in a 20 that I found out later he usually used.


32 posted on 02/16/2006 8:14:37 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: wbill

Actually the media frenzyhas been very beneficial. Mr. Rove could not have designed it better. How much have you heard about NSA "wiretapping" and Libby outing the supersecret superspy Miz Plame lately? Then again it could be an excuse for MSM to get off those particular hobby horses as the public reaction is not going as the left expected way and they were already starting to say er, uh about it.


33 posted on 02/16/2006 8:19:29 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero
Are you commenting on your own abilities and judgment after "a" beer?

No, I'm holding him to the same standards that I would set for myself and anyone else that I go into the woods with. Alcohol and hunting never mix.

And, unless you think that the shotgun fired itself, Cheney pulled the trigger while his hunting partner was in the line of fire. Regardless of what he was aiming at, it was a still a deliberate act, and an inexcusable one. Was it a criminal act? Based on what the media has reported (which as we all know may or may not be accurate) I would say not. But, action still needs to be taken - I'd say at the minimum, revoking his hunting license.

34 posted on 02/16/2006 8:24:10 AM PST by wbill
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To: ThanhPhero
Mr. Rove could not have designed it better.

Yeah, I wondered about that myself. Let Cheney take the heat and get some issues off the front page.

35 posted on 02/16/2006 8:25:32 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill

If Cheney were a Democrat it would be worth a chuckle, most definitely, but no more. For the most part our side does not ascribe villainy to minor mishaps. We make jokes. Some on the left make jokes. Some are even funny. It is inherently a humorous situation. And we on the right side of things do understand that it can be a very short distance between tragedy and an occasion for chuckles.


36 posted on 02/16/2006 8:27:25 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: wbill
wbill wrote:

29 -- Like I said in my original post, this whole incident - the shooting, and the aftermath - disgusts me.



27 -- Would you be defending Cheney if he was a Democrat? What if it was Ted Kennedy who pulled the trigger?


24 -- With all of the time I spent in the woods, I've never been peppered. My family are all hunters. I've never heard them mention getting 'peppered' either.

21 -- Unless the shotgun fired itself, Cheney took aim at (I'm assuming) a quail and fired while his hunting partner was in the line of fire.

There's nothing to excuse here, and, unless he's taking the blame for someone else, the evidence is pretty clear cut.



17 -- Cheney failed to mark his target before he fired the shotgun. In my book, that may qualify as an accident

(I'm sure that he didn't set out to shoot his hunting partner),

but it still is inexcusable. He should be punished. Pull his hunting license, at the very minimum.

As to the drinking, I'm going on what the national media is reporting.

Any way it's looked at, the VP has really stepped in it.


10 -- He failed to mark his target before firing. Absolutely inexcusable.



5 -- Cheney deliberately pointed his shotgun at someone and fired.

It was an incredibly irresponsible act, made more complicated by the fact that he was drinking beforehand. Beer and hunting *never* mix.

I don't care if he was a Republican or a Democrat, he needs to answer for what he did.


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I don't care if you're really a hunter or not wbill, -- you need to take responsibility for what you actually write.

I'd suggest you start to think a bit before typing.
37 posted on 02/16/2006 8:28:22 AM PST by tpaine
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To: wbill
"He failed to mark his target before firing. Absolutely inexcusable"

I will chime in because I HAVE hunted birds...they don't sit still for you to aim at...you follow with your muzzle and fire as you pass the target.."Leading the target"...if you are swinging and fire just as the victim comes into your peripheral vision it's to late....Cheney takes responsibility for the ACCIDENT...it was in no way deliberate!.
And the victim should take some responsibility because he shouldn't have been there...Even with a bright Orange vest and hat...I can track other hunters I see and expect but he wasn't in this two sum he was coming back from finding a dead bird and was entering the hunting party from the flank....it wasn't like he was walking towards the vice president from the front.
I agree that drinking and guns should NEVER mix...if it is true as Cheney himself said he had one beer at lunch several hours prior I don't see how it could have had any bearing on this incident...

Your comments in this thread show either you have blind disdain for the Vice President or you went off Half cocked on Emotion over information from the Old media who are complete idiots...almost to a man the comments I hear are ... ""While I've never been hunting, I wasn't there but let me tell you what happened!!!...""
38 posted on 02/16/2006 8:29:36 AM PST by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: wbill
can't imagine hunting that irresponsibly myself, and I think that sloughing it off gives hunters a bad reputation. I think that Liberal's general perception of hunters is that they're a bunch of bloodthirsty killjoys

Actually, with this, you sound like someone who this season got his first-ever hunting license and just made or are about to make his first hunting trip. And Liberals' perception of hunters is not relevant to anything here. It is a constant and nothing can modify it for better or for worse. Reality does not affect their views, only the story they have accepted.

39 posted on 02/16/2006 8:32:31 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: wbill

Letting Cheney take heat is apropriate. The man cannot feelburned.


40 posted on 02/16/2006 8:35:36 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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