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To: bayouranger

You are making an assumption; that Islam and pluralistic democracy can peacefully co-exist. In the case of Turkey, that nation had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century by military force. Only after the advantages of modern life filtered down to the average Turk did democracy become something like a good idea.

That, of course, is in danger. There are fundaMENTAList movements in Turkey today, vociferous and active. They are vocifierous and active because democracy ENABLES them to be so. Delicate balancing act, to be sure.

The problem is that Islam, like Communism, cannot allow a rival system of thought or devotion to exist anywhere on the planet. What remains to be seen in the Islam vs. democracy battle is whether or not the vast bulk of the Islamic poipulation is willing to chuck superstition for reason.

That is a matter of culture. Islam must undergo a major cultural change before the conditions are right for full-blown democracies erupt with popular support.

I put it to you that Islam has not had three of the most crucial pillars of that democratic tradition in it's history: it has not had anything like the Protestant Reformation, the Rennaisance nor the Age of Enlightenment.

Until Islam has any of those things, it will continue to be a stagnant model for society. Which is why Western civilization must be defended at all costs. So long as the followers of Islam are wedded to their religion and their religion is wedded to authoritarian control over every aspect of life, there can be no Rennaisance or Reformation.


137 posted on 02/16/2006 4:23:36 PM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Wombat101
You are making an assumption; that Islam and pluralistic democracy can peacefully co-exist

> Actually, I was questioning whether the Christian Armanian Genocide committed by the Turkish population in conjunction with the military was part of the transition into a somewhat civilized society, which is what you posted. Does the murder of infidel citizens have to occur as it did in Pakistan? That was my question to you.


I put it to you that Islam has not had three of the most crucial pillars of that democratic tradition in it's history: it has not had anything like the Protestant Reformation, the Rennaisance nor the Age of Enlightenment

> Well, unfortunately, we do not have the luxury of time. That leaves very few feasible options to deal with this menace. Other than that..I'm in agreement to the rest of your post. Thank you clearly stating your position.

Take care,
BR
142 posted on 02/17/2006 10:31:52 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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