[CarolinaGuitarman]

Kind has no scientific meaning. Period.

" The word kind has been around longer and has the original meaning of organisms that are of the same kind."

Circular argument. You are saying *kinds correctly describe kinds*.

"We have the dog kind. Within the dog kind we have the German Shepard kind, which if you read above the definition clearly states sort, variety, class. We have the Chesapeake Bay Retriever kind, sort, variety, class, of a dog."

There are 35 species in the family canidae.

"We have the bird kind. A chicken is a kind of bird, sort, variety, class. Within that kind we have Rhode Island Red kind, sort, variety, class."

There are over 10,000 species of birds in the world. Including ostriches, penguins, hummingbirds, and owls. Claiming they all speciated in the last 4,000 years from the two or so *bird kinds* on the ark is preposterous.

"We have the cat kind. A Siamese kind, sort, variety, class. We have the Manx kind, sort, variety, class."

There are 36 species of wild cats. Including the lion, tiger, bobcat, ocelot, domestic cat. The domestic cat will not (cannot) breed with a lion. They are fundamentally different species. Saying they are the same *kind* and thinking that is in any way specific enough is insane.

The problem with your *kinds* is that they shift constantly depending on who you are asking. Species on the other hand describes a real biological community. That is why, when presented with the task of categorizing organisms, most *primitive* peoples, with no concept of western science or knowledge of our classification systems, will correctly identify what science has discovered to be species. That's because species are real divisions, while *kinds* are figments of a creationists imagination.

[Creationist]

There are 35 kind of dog in the dog kind.

[muawiyah]

Quick, which is the correct term: "specieation" or "speciation"?

You can find both terms used in scientific peer reviewed journals. I prefer to use the one that suggests folks are into this for the purpose of turning obscure knowledge into real money, probably via foundation or government research grants.