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To: thomaswest
What we are made of is quite clear--water, carbon-compounds, some nitrogen, phosphorus, sulfer, and a sprinkling of iron and other metals.

These combine wonderfully to make life everywhere, from bacteria to fish to mammals via natural processes. There does not seem to be a need to invoke a "supernatural force" to explain what we observe.

It depends what one is observing Thomas.

You look at the world and see -water, carbon-compounds, nitrogen, phosphorus, sulfer, and a sprinkling of iron and other metals.

I look at the world and see these things trying to explain their own existence, absurd as it sounds in this context, but, an absurdity nonetheless that is true.

The dilemna for evolution is explaining something it fails to recognize in principle, and which we all know intuitively to be true: that our condition is profoundly unique, as opposed to any other organism on this planet.

168 posted on 02/13/2006 10:52:44 PM PST by csense
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To: csense
The dilemna for evolution is explaining something it fails to recognize in principle, and which we all know intuitively to be true: that our condition is profoundly unique, as opposed to any other organism on this planet. I think there are two aspects to this. 1. Yes, we seem to be unique in having a consciousness of our existence, and from this we worked out numerous ethical rules that serve to protect us. We are social beings. 2. We are not unique as regards our being vertebrate, mammal, animals. In this respect, we are surely like many other primates, in terms of blood types, genetic similarity, similar development in fetal stages in the womb, very numerous body similarities. This suggests to me that we did not arise via {poof} but via a long history of evolution.
170 posted on 02/13/2006 11:16:33 PM PST by thomaswest (Just curious)
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To: csense
an absurdity nonetheless that is true. Hmm: Officer: My radar showed you going 63 mph in a 35 mph zone. Believer: That can't be. My guru-god says I was only going 30 mph. Officeer: I do not know about your god, but I believe my radar. Believer: There is an alternative explanation; let's address the controversy. Radar is based on materialistic science, isn't it? Officer: Would you mind giving me your license? Believer: I have a spiritual existence. Laws of biology or gravity or man do not pertain; my faith is in a higher law. Officer: Have you been drinking? Please try to answer some simple questions...
171 posted on 02/13/2006 11:32:06 PM PST by thomaswest (Just curious)
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