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To: puroresu

if "we are all aware of that" then no one would use "micro" in place of "microbe" ... ever.

if you await a revelation from me, you are bound to be disappointed.
I am no authority on molecular biology or evolution, and certainly have no ground-breaking "proof" tucked up my sleeve.

However, from long experience now, I *am* a bit of an authority on the tactics of imprecision, illogic, and obfuscation used by the anti-evo crowd to muck up the issue.

case in point - you say you don't want "just evidence", yet you request a demonstration "beyond a reasonable doubt". this is a contradiction in terms. Barring corporeal time travel, absolute first-hand demonstration is impossible to pull off, and you know this.

On the other hand, records of past events preserved in DNA are excellent "evidence" which do demonstrate common primate descent beyond a reasonable doubt: the so-called "DNA fossils" of genetic *errors* common to all primates; the set common only to apes (including humans); the set common to chimps, bonobos, and humans exclusively; the set common to humans alone; and sets exclusive to sub-groups or demographics within the overall human population.

This is DNA evidence which would easily stand up in court in a capital murder case, which fits the bill of "beyond reasonable doubt"

I've read biologists refer to these fossil DNA errors as "the smoking gun" of common descent.

but... you don't like mere evidence.
oh, well... what shall a mere mortal do?


156 posted on 02/13/2006 9:54:59 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout

Thanks for your post! :-)

I'm sorry if I got testy with you. I'm not trying to obfuscate anything. I'm not a scientist and I can't possibly know all the currently applicable terms used in the laboratory.

I thank you for your contribution but I think we were just on two different wavelengths. Evidence is fine and I respect you for providing it. You may be right. But I think that as long as there are alternative explanations we shouldn't be so dogmatic. After all, wouldn't creatures designed by God have close DNA if they are comparatively similar? You might not believe that such a thing could occur, and I understand that, but some of us look at the evidence and see something different than you, or at least are open to the possibility of an alternative explanation.

You're a very bright fellow, and I think you're an excellent debater.


157 posted on 02/13/2006 10:05:30 PM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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