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How Did Dick Cheney Break the No.1 Rule of Hunting?
Time Magazine ^ | 02/13/2006 | Timothy Burger

Posted on 02/13/2006 10:38:19 AM PST by SirLinksalot

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To: MineralMan
I'm thinking about going after turkey with my next door neighbor next year

Turkey hunting always worried me a bit. You have a guy wearing camo trying to sound like a turkey a hundred yards from another guy wearing camo and trying to sound like a turkey.

I've read that they get more hunting mishaps with turkey hunting than any other form of hunting.

261 posted on 02/13/2006 1:56:38 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

"The Winchester 42 is sweet. I see them from time to time in shops, but they've really gone up in price."

They're a really nice little gun. I've shot his a bunch of times, but my little brother had dibs on it, so it won't be mine.

However, I get the Model 12s...all of 'em....eventually. He has every gauge made, including a 10 that once knocked me on my butt at age 12, and a 16 that I don't think has had more than 50 rounds through it.

But the 42 is a special shotgun, for sure.


262 posted on 02/13/2006 1:58:06 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: drahthaar

I've used to live for hunting and fishing. I now live in urban So. Cal so very seldom fish and never hunt anymore. Almost everyone who has hunted has had some close shaves. Two of may friends from highschool accidentally shot themselves while hunting (both survived). Things happen, mostly from being careless. However, you can do everything right and still have an accident. Since none of us were at the scene of the Cheney shooting, it would be hard for any of us to pontificate about it.


264 posted on 02/13/2006 2:00:19 PM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: MineralMan
I always hunted quail and pheasant with a 20 ga. Had a good friend that used a 16 ga. I have seen 28 ga. shotguns but don't recall ever being around anyone who hunted with one. Have a cousin that was so good on doves he borrowed my Dad's .410 Sears bolt action shotgun (yes they do exist) just to make more sporting. I was pretty good on quail and pheasant but could only get about one dove per box of shells so gave up on them. I have not read all posts here but VP was at fault you just can't pull trigger with someone in line of fire.
265 posted on 02/13/2006 2:00:21 PM PST by nomorelurker (wetraginhell)
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To: EdJay
""I heard on the radio today, that Mr. Whittington has been joking about the incident with the nurses at the hospital. Seems like HE, more than those pontificating about the accident, has the right attitude about it."

Yeah, if he doesn't mind being shot in the face by his hunting buddy, why should anybody else care? "

At least when you get shot by the likes of Dick Cheney you end up in the hospital afterward, while the shooter gets ripped and threatened with impeachment.

If it were Kennedy or Kerry who had pulled the trigger, you'd end up in the morgue and they'd be successfully reelected to office.
266 posted on 02/13/2006 2:01:49 PM PST by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: MineralMan
He has every gauge made, including a 10 that once knocked me on my butt at age 12

My neighbor in Tulsa had a double-barrel 10 gauge goose gun. Just about needed a pony to get it out to the blind.

267 posted on 02/13/2006 2:02:44 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: dirtboy
Turkey hunting always worried me a bit. You have a guy wearing camo trying to sound like a turkey a hundred yards from another guy wearing camo and trying to sound like a turkey.

Ok, I have to ask this.....I'll probably be chastised and humiliated....but. What is the deal with turkey hunters and these enormous 3 1/2" 12 gage magnum turkey loads? The last turkey I took was a .22 hornet and a scope at 30 yards, strait through the head. I don't get it, why blast the bird to pieces with a huge magnum load? I do live in the plains, so perhaps this is a function of cover?.......

268 posted on 02/13/2006 2:04:50 PM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: lugsoul
""The shooter is responsible for where his shot goes. There is never an excuse for accidentally shooting someone."
"We have a winner. Who will probably be flamed for being correct."

Just so. I would hope the VP will state very clearly:

"I was careless and am only grateful my good friend is recovering. I believe I will enroll in an NRA Safety Refresher Course asap."

269 posted on 02/13/2006 2:05:25 PM PST by harrowup (Born perfect and humble about it.)
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To: dirtboy

"My neighbor in Tulsa had a double-barrel 10 gauge goose gun. Just about needed a pony to get it out to the blind."

Still some guys using 10 ga. for goose hunting. I can't see it, myself, with modern choke design, but tradition is tradition.

There's sure no shortage of geese up here if you want to hunt them. In the cities, they're vermin, to tell you the truth. Huge flocks of them on every large lawn. This year, with the warm weather, some didn't even bother to fly south for the winter. What a mess.

I do like eating goose, though, so I may bundle up next Fall and take a couple for the table.

The guy who does the local hunting and fishing talk show on the radio here calls them "Sky Carp." Funny.


270 posted on 02/13/2006 2:06:53 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Issaquahking
A perceptive fellow, like yourself, should have a long and accidental shooting free life.

Enjoy.





271 posted on 02/13/2006 2:09:21 PM PST by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: MineralMan
The guy who does the local hunting and fishing talk show on the radio here calls them "Sky Carp."

That's classic. I remember back in the mid eighties in the Philly suburbs when they were a quaint novelty. Now they're a nuisance and a health menance, but good luck getting a controlled hunt past the animal-rights types.

272 posted on 02/13/2006 2:09:31 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: lugsoul

"This was a canned hunt"

Where do you get that?

And how would you even be able to do a "canned hunt" with quail, short of hunting in an aviary?


273 posted on 02/13/2006 2:09:45 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: dirtboy
My neighbor in Tulsa had a double-barrel 10 gauge goose gun. Just about needed a pony to get it out to the blind.

Yes. My grandpa had one also, he would lay down, prop it against a tree and "blast" ducks sitting on the pond. This is depression era, so please, no flames. Sure wish I had that 10 gauge though....

274 posted on 02/13/2006 2:10:05 PM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: ushr435

"Are you suppose to wear orange vests when you go quail hunting?"

Depends on the terrain. Most of the time, most people do not. (I don't, but I've been hunting with the same people on my own ranch for 20+ years.)


275 posted on 02/13/2006 2:11:53 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: MineralMan
However, I get the Model 12s...all of 'em....eventually.

My dad has a nice little hunting arsenal, and my brother doesn't like guns, so I'll get them when the time comes. But until then, I can't coax anything out of his collection, even though my mom has put him on gun probation - he did offer to give me a 7mm that he has never been able to get sighted in.

Thanks, dad...

276 posted on 02/13/2006 2:12:11 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: MyDogAllah; SirLinksalot

Below are Jeff Cooper's four gun safety rules.
If you own a firearm, you should be able to rattle off and obey each and every rule at all times. Never violate a single rule.

As far as I can tell, VP Cheney violated #2, #4, and possibly #3.

When the rules are broken, expect unintended consequences, like shooting your friends.

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

.......

205 posted on 02/13/2006 2:04:03 PM MST by MyDogAllah

Colonel Cooper first developed these rules
in WWII for grunts and dogfaces.
They work well still for grunts and dogfaces.

The NRA used them for many years,
but through studies have found that they have proven to be unsafe.

They began to to use the following about fifteen years ago.

Gun safety increased and "accidents" decreased dramatically.

The NRA Safe Gun Handling rules are :

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.

These rules hold true at all times.

NRA
Eight Rules for Using or Storing A Gun

1. Know your target and what is beyond.

2. Be sure the gun is safe to operate.

3. Know how to use the gun safely.

4. Use only the correct ammunition for your gun.

5. Wear eye and ear protection.

6. NEVER use alcohol or drugs before or while shooting.

7. Store guns so they are NOT accessible to unauthorized persons.

8. Be aware that certain types of guns and many shooting activities require additional safety precautions.


277 posted on 02/13/2006 2:13:49 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: Decepticon

"The last turkey I took was a .22 hornet and a scope at 30 yards, strait through the head."

Me too, but I used a Ruger 10/22 and no scope (my I-ain't-gonna-clean-it rifle).


278 posted on 02/13/2006 2:15:19 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: dirtboy

Well, my dad still shoots sometimes, and he cleans his collection and maintains it like always. Whenever we visit the citrus farm we always take some time to do a little shooting. I'm sure going to miss that man when he's gone. Best dad a kid ever had.


279 posted on 02/13/2006 2:15:31 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: SirLinksalot
An eyewitness account reported by the Associated Press suggests that Cheney may have, in the heat of the moment, violated the No. 1 rule of hunting by failing to keep track of his hunting buddies at all times.

A report aired earlier today stated that Whittington joined the hunt while it was in progress and did not announce himself.
280 posted on 02/13/2006 2:15:43 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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