The Age of the Universe

AISH ^ | 1-30-2005 | Dr. Gerald Schroeder

[js1138]

This concept is generally known as Last Thursdayism.

[AmericaUnited]

No he doesn't.

And just because you say so?!

[Rudder]

Yep. Just because I say so. The bible is not a science text and these efforts to "reconcile" it's spiritual teachings with hard science is merely intellectual masturbation.

[AmericaUnited]

Just because I say so.

That was meaningfully... Next.

[PatrickHenry]

Archive?

[wallcrawlr]

Another age of the earth quiz.

Revelation 4:11Intelligent Design
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[Coyoteman]

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[metmom]

Thanks for the thread. Very interesting. I've heard that understanding the Hebrew was a great help in properly understanding Genesis but have never come across so through an explanation.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

Because they obviously are separate. They don't agree and the science is verifiable, the Bible is not. The faith is not subject to reason. Why is this so hard to explain?

Why can't they be separate parts of a whole? Even accepting your definitions, they are both part of man and whatever else is. One can have faith (Faith is "the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen". ) in the unprovable as well as faith (confidence) in the provable. They can be separate but equal, as long as you don't take it to the Warren Supreme Court. :-)

[dread78645]

This concept is generally known as Last Thursdayism.

Unless you're a member of the First Church of Wednesday.
Then it's called heresy.

[aimhigh]

Because depending on how much time this pulse of light has traveled through space, will determine the amount of stretching of space between the pulses.

This assumes the speed of light is constant. It may not be. And it fails to consider that God may have created an aged Universe. Adam wasn't created as a tiny fetus and laid on the ground.

[nmh]

Perhaps I missed it ... but in Hebrew the word "yom" means a twenty four hour day when used with morning, evening or a day number as 1, 2 etc.. WHY wasn't that mentioned. The "mystery" of a "day" could have been cleared up in one sentence.

I'll take the word of God over man ANYDAY!

I'm glad my God, did as He stated. He created the earth in six 24 hour days and on the 7th, He rested.

[Tribune7]

You'll like this.

[LiteKeeper]

YEC INTREP

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed. It is one of my favorite articles!

[johnnyb_61820]

There are several issues: (1) ICR has done a textual analysis of the Genesis account and concluded that it is narrative, not poetry. (2) In Exodus 20:11 God is very clear saying "in six days God created" (3) The Bible also says that there was no carnivory before the flood. There was clearly carnivory in the geologic column. (4) Having such a view completely discounts the impact of a worldwide flood on the geological record. Creationists believe that the Paleozoic and Mesozoic are flood sediments (and some thing that part of the Cenozoic is as well). You have a massive unconformity at the pre-cambrian/cambrian boundary marking the beginning of the flood (where many geologists have noted the the basement has been "swept clean" before the next layer), and then the K/T boundary may well mark the end of the flood. If you take the millions of years view, where did this worldwide flood go? (5) Zircons provide evidence that radiometric dating is incorrect. There are two ways to date Zircons -- radiometrically, and by measure the amount of Helium that has escaped from the radiometric decay. The former measures in millions of years, the latter measures in thousands (6) The ubiquity of C14. It's everywhere in the geologic column. It shouldn't be anywhere after 90,000 years. It's even in diamonds, which are not subject to the contaminations which have been proposed to explain the other C14 data. (7) The long ages view of scripture was unheard of before the 1600s. If the text really meant that, then somehow it escaped the notice of everyone before us. (8) To keep up with the geologic timescales, it requires humans being in existance for hundreds of thousands of years or even millions of years before being gifted with a soul. During this time, they made war (even wearing chain mail), made toys, and other items. It (a) demolishes any possibility that sin entered through Adam, since we were clearly at war with each other beforehand, and (b) makes there literally no difference between soul-less pre-Adamites and soul-ful humans. The creationary model proposes that most Cenozoic sediments were post-flood, and that all these humans lived relatively recently.

[johnnyb_61820]

(reposted, with spacing :))

There are several issues:

(1) ICR has done a textual analysis of the Genesis account and concluded that it is narrative, not poetry.

(2) In Exodus 20:11 God is very clear saying "in six days God created"

(3) The Bible also says that there was no carnivory before the flood. There was clearly carnivory in the geologic column.

(4) Having such a view completely discounts the impact of a worldwide flood on the geological record. Creationists believe that the Paleozoic and Mesozoic are flood sediments (and some thing that part of the Cenozoic is as well). You have a massive unconformity at the pre-cambrian/cambrian boundary marking the beginning of the flood (where many geologists have noted the the basement has been "swept clean" before the next layer), and then the K/T boundary may well mark the end of the flood. If you take the millions of years view, where did this worldwide flood go?

(5) Zircons provide evidence that radiometric dating is incorrect. There are two ways to date Zircons -- radiometrically, and by measure the amount of Helium that has escaped from the radiometric decay. The former measures in millions of years, the latter measures in thousands

(6) The ubiquity of C14. It's everywhere in the geologic column. It shouldn't be anywhere after 90,000 years. It's even in diamonds, which are not subject to the contaminations which have been proposed to explain the other C14 data.

(7) The long ages view of scripture was unheard of before the 1600s. If the text really meant that, then somehow it escaped the notice of everyone before us.

(8) To keep up with the geologic timescales, it requires humans being in existance for hundreds of thousands of years or even millions of years before being gifted with a soul. During this time, they made war (even wearing chain mail), made toys, and other items. It (a) demolishes any possibility that sin entered through Adam, since we were clearly at war with each other beforehand, and (b) makes there literally no difference between soul-less pre-Adamites and soul-ful humans. The creationary model proposes that most Cenozoic sediments were post-flood, and that all these humans lived relatively recently.

[Mogollon]

The Bible is not a science text, neither in biology nor in cosmology. To use it as such or expect it to be usable as such demeans both faith and science. If your understanding of science has no value, base it on faith. If your religious faith has no value, seek scientific proof.

I disagree, I think it's God's will that we learn more scientifically about creation. Newton, Einstein, et. al. studied science to learn Gods secrets.

[ahayes]

Universe Age is 13.7 Billion Years Placemarker