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To: Once-Ler
>>>>I have said before that I admire Reagan because of his taxcuts, but we are talking about immigration. Economics is not the issue.

Pay attention. I was making an analogy between Reagan's bold leadership under difficult economic conditions and in the Cold War, with todays problems and how Reagan would have excelled as POTUS today. Specifically, on immigration reform.

>>>>Let us stick to the argument. Once-ler is not the issue. Personal attacks are poor substitutes for intelligent refutation.

Noting your lack of historical knowledge is not engaging in personal attacks. So stop whining.

>>>>We will never know for sure because Reagan is no longer here to tell us. That is sad because so much of what he stood for has been misused by those who wish to promote an agenda using his good name and boundless optimistic vision for and of the American people.

We can take an educated guess. If Reagan exhibited bold leadership in the past, there is a high probability he would do so today. Frankly, I know of no one who is misusing the Reagan record, or the Reagan legacy, or the Reagan vision for any nefarious agenda.

I'm glad to see you've read a Reagan speech or two. He was a wonderful writer. The last Reagan book I bought was, Reagan In His Own Hand. Great stuff.

Reagan's signing of the 86IRCA granting blanket amnesty to every illegal in the US, was a very humane act. In hindsight, however, its quite obvious the amnesty provision of the 86IRCA was a big mistake. Without advancing the enforcement aspects, it led to a string of liberal immigration policy from Bush41, to Clinton, to Bush43.

Right now, its incumbent upon PresBush that he not repeat the same mistake Reagan made, by offering his own version of amnesty that would lead to citizenship down the road.

293 posted on 02/12/2006 9:42:15 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man
Pay attention. I was making an analogy between Reagan's bold leadership under difficult economic conditions and in the Cold War, with todays problems and how Reagan would have excelled as POTUS today. Specifically, on immigration reform.

Well for Pete's sake go ahead and make that specific point about Reagan's immigration leadership. I still don't know why you bring up difficult economic times as an issue. Dubya had a recession, mounting entitlement spending, and a dilapidated military in times of international tension just like Reagan. Just like Reagan, Dubya signed budgets that increased spending, restored the military, and produced good economic effects.

Of course Dubya also had 2 wars and the destruction of the nation's financial center to contend with during that recession. Dubya has also had to contend with some wicked natural disasters.

I'm sorry I have read it twice and I still don't see the analogy between Reagan's bold tax cut and Dubya's not bold tax cuts. What was the bold economic leadership Reagan implemented that Dubya didn't during his bad economy?

I believe you did your best to explain it and it's understandable if you feel too exasperated to try again.

But anyways I'm still waiting for some vast improvements that Reagan implemented after IRCA was signed to enforce the law. I'm still waiting for some indication Reagan lamented giving Freedom to 3 million illegals. Something.

Noting your lack of historical knowledge is not engaging in personal attacks. So stop whining.

Of course its a personal attack. Stop being coy. You know nothing about me. I don't need a refresher course on Reagan. I was there. I've been a student a lot longer than the time I left school. You got some degree you want to scan and post for me to prove your credentials?

In hindsight, however, its quite obvious the amnesty provision of the 86IRCA was a big mistake.

How so? Do you know of some study that shows that the 3 million illegals Reagan gave amnesty have had a detrimental effect on their neighborhoods or America in general, or are you just positing a cause and effect argument that the amnesty acted as a vacuum and created even more illegals then before?

On what basis do you assume Reagan would agree that 86IRCA was a mistake? Is it because your posting name is Reagan Man and you believe 816IRCA was a mistake?

Give me something besides personal venom please. I'm perfectly willing to entertain your response without a obligatory recital of how little you think of me. Your continued replies disclose a respect and a desire to challenge, as mine do the same.

Thank you for your reply.

296 posted on 02/12/2006 10:44:41 PM PST by Once-Ler (The rat 06 election platform will be a promise to impeach the President if they win.)
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