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Conservatives remain loyal to Bush but question depth of his conservatism
Las Vegas Sun ^
| February.11, 2006
| WILL LESTER
Posted on 02/11/2006 12:49:16 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Czar
>>>>We owe them nothing.Problem. There is nowhere for traditional conservatives to go. 2008 will be an historic year for the GOP. If they choose the wrong candidate to run for Prez, they'll find mainstream conservatives like you and me, bolting the GOP for better conservative opportunties. Frankly, I'd say the GOP conservative base is closer to 50%. Maybe higher. With about 20% coming from religious conservatives.
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posted on
02/11/2006 5:14:14 PM PST
by
Reagan Man
(Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
To: spikeytx86
and spending under Reagan relative to GDP was equivalent to what we have today. Yeah, here's the difference, We were staring down a super power not a bunch of jihadis, we head congress in the hands of the opposition party who were not friendly to the president. Welfare had not been reformed, and we suffered a recession in the early eighties that was one of our worst ever. What's Bush's excuse? Both houses are controlled by us, we have a booming economy, and our defense spending as a percentage of GDP is much less. Dose the president know the term "Veto" or "No" ?!?
You offer every exuse in the book for Reagan yet you don't do the same for Bush.
Sure Reagan out-DOD spent the Soviets. Bush has had to increase Homeland defense-type spending across all of his departments. If you add up Reagan's DOD spending and Bush's DOD + homeland security-type spending, they come out roughly equal relative to GDP.
Bush had a major recession plus an overvalued stock market to contend with.
The senate still isn't friendly to conservatives. Do you actually think that it is? You don't think that there's a major RINO problem in senate?
To: jwalsh07
>>>>243 dead marines.Under the circumstances, 243 dead Marines is not a sign of weakness. If we don't know who killed the Marines, what did you expect Reagan to do? Lash out and kill the nearest Muslims. LOL Come on. Again, if Reagan had proof positive who bombed the Marine barracks, he would have taken the appropriate military actions.
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posted on
02/11/2006 5:19:58 PM PST
by
Reagan Man
(Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
To: Reagan Man
Defense: Reagan spent 26.7%, Bush spent 18.6%. Non-defense discretionary programs: Bush spent 20.2%, Reagan spent 17.1%. The Bush "Non-defense discretionary programs" that you list above includes Homeland Defense type spending.
Your statistics are misleading.
To: Reagan Man
"Frankly, I'd say the GOP conservative base is closer to 50%. Maybe higher. With about 20% coming from religious conservatives."You may well be right about that. I stick with that 30%+ number because it seems to be the conventional wisdom, i.e., the number usually cited. I have wondered whether it might not be higher.
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posted on
02/11/2006 5:26:40 PM PST
by
Czar
(StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
To: ex-snook
Terrorism has gotten worseTerrorism has not gotten worse.
To: Stellar Dendrite
i would guarantee that RWR would support closing the borders if he were alive and coherent. It's doubtful he'd fall for another amnesty either. As they say, fool me once...
To: FreeReign
I agreed with you about the IRCA of 1986 being amnesty for illegals. But the Bush proposal is nothing but backdoor amnesty under the guise of a guest worker program. You don't believe that. You've got yourself convinced it doesn't amount to amnesty leading down the road to US citizenship. I believe that's exactly what it amounts to. But like I said, its a moot point.
>>>>Millions of illegals were given citizenship amnesty by Reagan. They didn't have to wait on the quota line to get their green cards. What part of that don't you understand?
That's why many of us who oppose illegal immigration, call the Bush proposal, backdoor amnesty. First you get your foot in the door, then down the road, you get achance at US citizenship.
>>>>There were no troops on the border during Reagan's 8 years. There are no troops on the border now. Almost anybody could cross the border then -- almost anybody can cross now. You seem to be denial.
I agree, so what. One more time. Its not Reagan's fault there are 10-15 million illegals in America today. That fault lies with Bush41, Clinton and Bush43. Today, PresBush supports open borders for two reasons. First, Bush wants a continued flow of cheap labor into the US, keeping his bigwig GOP donor pals happy. Second. For five years Bush has been pandering to the Hispanic community, in an attempt to secure more votes for GOP candidates. Those are the facts. You can ignore the facts all you want.
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posted on
02/11/2006 5:39:45 PM PST
by
Reagan Man
(Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
To: FreeReign
>>>>Your statistics are misleading.Not true. You've offered no evidence that my data is bogus. It comes from OMB.gov, the historical tables. I used simple math to figure out what was spent. Straightforward computations. Homeland Security spending is a drop in the bucket. About $30-billion/year. It doesn't change the results. Besides, there was also spending by Reagan on homeland secutiry in his budgets. They just didn't have a HSD back then. OMB breaks those figures out in their spreadsheets going back to 1940. Check it out.
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posted on
02/11/2006 5:49:09 PM PST
by
Reagan Man
(Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
To: Stellar Dendrite
when back on 10/21/2005 5:46:10 PM when you said you wanted to bash in the heads of Anti Miers folk (dont make me re-post it). Flashbunny remembers it as well.
You're a damned liar.
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posted on
02/11/2006 6:40:28 PM PST
by
sinkspur
(Trust, but vilify.)
To: FreeReign
The senate is not as friendly as it should be, however you can not possible compare the level of hostility to that of what Reagan faced with a hostile house and after 86 two hostile houses.
And I will even be fair and take defense spending out of the equation. Discretionary spending fell under Reagan yet has grown tremendously under bush.
And The recession in 2000 was paltry compared to the 81-82 slide. You want me to cut him some slack? fine take defense spending off the table. He still created an entitlement, has been half heartedly committed to SS Reform, and has allowed discretionary spending to grow faster than any other president then LBJ. President Bush has shown tremendous leadership on our National Security, yet he has shown little leadership in shrinking our government or even to keep his tax cuts.
Like I said he is a good president and In many ways a great one, but he is no conservative.
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posted on
02/11/2006 7:02:56 PM PST
by
spikeytx86
(Beware the Democratic party has been over run by CRAB PEOPLE!)
To: sinkspur
i've got the timestamp right there, "deacon". proof enough?
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posted on
02/11/2006 7:24:59 PM PST
by
Stellar Dendrite
(There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
To: conservative physics
You ruled out the worst very well, give up the names sitting on this deep bench that have some sort of national name recognition cause Im drawing a blank here.
To: Stellar Dendrite
No. You'll have to do better than that. The whole quote, please.
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posted on
02/11/2006 7:34:55 PM PST
by
sinkspur
(Trust, but vilify.)
To: sinkspur; flashbunny; Itzlzha; DoNotDivide
Sinkspur said: You're a damned liar.
Well, gosh darn it Sinky...you called me a liar, so I guess I have to provide proof. I asked you to stop pinging me, so I will provide this evidence...and then you will get the clue (to stop pinging me, that is)
Here is your post from 10/21/2005 5:46:10 PM:
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To: Pessimist; flashbunny; aceintx; Stellar Dendrite
Unsatisfied with shrinking the party by tossing out the "RINOs," some anti-Miers conservatives have been savage in their criticism of those of us who've been willing to give the lady a chance. The next time an anti-Miers conservative refers to us as "those who've drunk the Kool Aid," as Manuel Miranda and a number of commentators on this blog have done, I want to bang their heads on a concrete wall until all the **** they've been using for brains oozes out.
Here, boys. This is how all of us who want to give Miers a hearing feel about you.
I think one or two whacks against the wall ought to do it.
36 posted on 10/21/2005 5:46:10 PM CDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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Here is the direct link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1506802/posts?page=38#36
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posted on
02/11/2006 7:36:27 PM PST
by
Stellar Dendrite
(There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
To: Stellar Dendrite; sinkspur
196
posted on
02/11/2006 7:40:09 PM PST
by
DoNotDivide
(Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.)
To: Stellar Dendrite
There's something really sick about a poster who collects other people's posts to use them against them later.
You're petty as hell with all your baiting.
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posted on
02/11/2006 7:41:21 PM PST
by
Howlin
(Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
To: DoNotDivide
If you're an example of a "real, true conservative," most of us are probably thrilled not to be considered like you.
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posted on
02/11/2006 7:42:22 PM PST
by
Howlin
(Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
To: DoNotDivide; Reagan Man; Itzlzha
As you can see the usual rino gang is out in full force.
I guess violent threats towards FReepers is no big deal.
Petty, indeed.
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posted on
02/11/2006 7:43:02 PM PST
by
Stellar Dendrite
(There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
To: Howlin
National Government Health Care anyone?
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posted on
02/11/2006 7:43:46 PM PST
by
DoNotDivide
(Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.)
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